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[wingssail]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

I'm not a southern boy but they can read between the lines on your comment just like everyone else.

The implication that any southern boy who is proud of being southern and their heritage is defacto a racist and too dumb not to realize what they are being called is a lot of where southern pride comes from.

While there are certainly exceptions, most get along with others just fine...except when people start trying to bait them to stir the pot. Of course there are exceptions on all sides, so that doesn't make them any different.

PS: I'm still waiting to hear what the evil flags that must be banned really are.

No valhalla360, you miss-understood the logic which was presented:

The Confederate flag symbolizes Southern Pride.

What is Southern Pride?

Pride in having southern roots.

So, many blacks have southern roots too but they don't fly the Confederate flag. Doesn't that mean it signifies something else?

(rant follows)

Banned Flags?
There is a comment which describes flag etiquette. Nothing is banned here (USA) that I know of. Some flags are banned elsewhere. But some flags, by what they represent or their size etc. are just bad etiquette. And of course the people flying those flags generally don't give a rat's A** about etiquette.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

Thank god for the bill of rights

Subject to Climate Change and erosion.. the Patriot Act being one example.
Its only as good as its expediency..

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Subject to Climate Change and erosion.. the Patriot Act being one example.
Its only as good as its expediency..

The bill of rights is not subject to anything.

Rights are not privileges

Rights are not given, thus they can not be taken

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by wingssail

No valhalla360, you miss-understood the logic which was presented:

The Confederate flag symbolizes Southern Pride.

What is Southern Pride?

Pride in having southern roots.

So, many blacks have southern roots too but they don't fly the Confederate flag. Doesn't that mean it signifies something else?

(rant follows)

Banned Flags?
There is a comment which describes flag etiquette. Nothing is banned here (USA) that I know of. Some flags are banned elsewhere. But some flags, by what they represent or their size etc. are just bad etiquette. And of course the people flying those flags generally don't give a rat's A** about etiquette.

Now this is where political game playing comes in..
The English Flag is the Cross of St George.. a few years back pre the Brexit Referendum a white Labour politician called Emily Thornberry spotted and photographed one hanging on a house.. she then went on to publicise it as racist and that the people who flew it were White Van Man.. the elites equivalent of Rednecks.
Basically she tried to play a race card and stir up pro EU support from the BAME voters.. it failed but the BAME have taken the English flag as a symbol of racism they can point to.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

The bill of rights is not subject to anything.

Rights are not privileges

Rights are not given, thus they can not be taken

Rights are taken every day from people..
The right to a home..?
The right to a Job..?
The right to freedom..?
The right to justice..?
Name one right that cannot be taken from you.. apart from the inevitable right to die.

[S/V Adeline]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Rights are taken every day from people..
The right to a home..?
The right to a Job..?
The right to freedom..?
The right to justice..?
Name one right that cannot be taken from you.. apart from the inevitable right to die.

Originally Posted by boatman61

Rights are taken every day from people..
The right to a home..?
The right to a Job..?
The right to freedom..?
The right to justice..?
Name one right that cannot be taken from you.. apart from the inevitable right to die.

The Bill of Rights refers to the 10 amendments that were required to have the colonies ratify the U.S. Constitution. They in no way cover homes, jobs, or that like.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled once again that no state can secede from the Union, when one state tried to legalize medically assisted suicide. So while you have your *right to die*, they still want to regulate how...

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by S/V Adeline

The Bill of Rights refers to the 10 amendments that were required to have the colonies ratify the U.S. Constitution. They in no way cover homes, jobs, or that like.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled once again that no state can secede from the Union, when one state tried to legalize medically assisted suicide. So while you have your *right to die*, they still want to regulate how...

Not everyone on this forum is a citizen of the US and therefore may not be aware that the common term rights could be interpreted to mean the bill of rights.

[requiem]

IIRC one of the contentious issues back when the US Bill of Rights was proposed, was the worry that enumerating specific rights would cause some to think that "if it wasn't listed, it wasn't a right".

[OloteleMtn]

The Nazis coopted the swastika from the Sanskrit Indians....the North American Indians used it as well, as did many other cultures all over the world. Some people are just stuck on one use of a universal symbol, and are offended. The same can be said for many symbols, like a MAGA hat....look at people freak out and persecute the wearer, even to bodily injury...but they are the people with "human values."
I got a camp fire over here, too.

[a64pilot]

Originally Posted by NorthernMac

“Don’t tread on me” should be all our beliefs

It is and I’m surprised it wasn’t adopted by people who feel they are being discriminated against, because that’s the meaning of the flag.
However I can see as how it may have been taken as being aggressive if they did, because the flags intent is as a warning that basically says if you don’t stop bullying me, you will soon wish you had, and that’s an aggressive statement

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Never happen, people want to be offended. The they get to act all self righteous. Last year I flew the Ensign on my boat and that offended some, This year I’m flying the Ensign and directly under it, the Retired US Army flag.
Now it seems more are offended.

However the gay couple that fly their rainbow flag are considered brave and courageous by the ones that I offend by my US Ensign.

Go figure

Do I sense some Feeling of Offense?
Just asking

[AKA-None]

Originally Posted by Boatyarddog

Do I sense some Feeling of Offense?

Just asking

I think you might have to go a bit further than that to offend a64pilot. But I may be wrong. He doesn’t strike me as easily butt hurt.

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

It is and I’m surprised it wasn’t adopted by people who feel they are being discriminated against, because that’s the meaning of the flag.
However I can see as how it may have been taken as being aggressive if they did, because the flags intent is as a warning that basically says if you don’t stop bullying me, you will soon wish you had, and that’s an aggressive statement

I’d say it’s more a appropriate statement.

[Van Der Beek]

Originally Posted by Go Wildcats

Like I said, there were other reasons for the secession, but the primary driver was slavery. As for the rest of your dribble, I wouldn't know what liberals would do if you flew your elephant flag. Give it go and report back.

It was not, it was taxation and big government, that's not to say the Southern aristocracy didn't want to keep slavery, it afforded them that kind of lifestyle, but they knew slavery was an economic dead end, and slavery was on its way out in the South.

Slavery wasn't free labor it was 'cheap' labor, and it was, from an economic point, ineffective compared to the industrial magnate in the North, who didn't have to pay for their labor, just head down to the docks and pick them up fresh and rested from Europe, get them into a factory, if the worker got hurt or something else happened, just discard of him and pick up a new. He didn't have to house the worker, feed him, cloth him etc.

So, slavery WAS on its way out int he South, slowly, resistance from parts of the aristocracy for reasons mentioned. But they knew they had to ditch it and modernize.

Virginia, the Old Dominion. Was the HEART of the South, both politically and culturally, easy to forget this today and with the northern part being, as a native Virginian might say...occupied Virginia, many think it's a northern state. It isn't, in fact, Delaware and Maryland are the two most northern southern states.

No.
Slavery became an issue when the Southerners decided to secede from the Union and create their own country. Because the South was the cash cow, most of the tax revenue central government in Washington got was from the Southern states. And less than half of the population lived in the southern states yet paid most of the taxes etc.

Lincoln and company had no plans on even trying to abolish it for this very reason, Lincoln knew that the only way for the United States to regain control over the Souths resources was a war. It was the only option he had, if not there would have been four countries on the continent right now.

Mexico. The Confederate States Of America, The United States of America, and Canada, perhaps even Quebec making it five different countries.

The war has been sold as a moral war to abolish slavery, the good Yankees VS the evil Southerners. Utter BS, a gross simplification. But it's the one that prevails and it's the one taught in school. Lesson here? the only 'crime' is losing. You win you get to decide the narrative and drum that into future generations, and you keep it real simple and dumb, why complicate things even with a slight nuance? Can't have that. it's black or white. No shades of gray.

Even the term "Civil war" is a misnomer by the way. But it sounds better than "The war of Northern Aggression" but the South started it, not really, and Washington instigated it.

Here's why.

A civil war is two factions fighting over who is going to control central government, well, the South had no more interest in controlling central government in Washington then they had in controlling London during the war for Independence from England.

They wanted out, they saw the writing on the wall of big government, reduced states rights and autonomy etc etc. Let's just say they remembered what it was like when they were all English being ruled overseas from the mother country,and how, again, the crown taxed them like crazy and tried to control them from over there.

As for the, I suppose you are talking about the battle flag of Northern Virginia, that flag represent different things to white Southerns (struggle for independence, yes) and white Yankees and blacks (slavery) , but hey, if you ask a Native American what the stars and stripes represent he would most likely say...genocide.

So there you go.

PS.
The white southerners all share a national trauma, that of the war, it took the south all the way up to the 1960s to catch up because old Sherman went on a burn, rape and pillage campaign all over the South. The African Americans in the South in turn share the trauma of slavery.

The Yankees? They don't share any of those traumas.

[a64pilot]

It’s coming up on being almost 200 years ago, no person is still alive from that time.
Aren’t we way past that by now? Of course not, never will be, and the reason is that many have their power base in racism and the perceived existence of it.
What the German Government did to certain minorities In the 30’s and 40’s was worse than slavery, yet most don’t rally against it as a cause.
What the Japanese did to all their neighbors, was at least as bad or worse than slavery and again you don’t see rallies agains them.

Slavery exists today, I saw it in Kuwait. You could try to argue it’s not actually ownership, but it is. I was being escorted thought the airport just after we freed Kuwait by a Kuwaiti and we walked by one of the gates Where there was a commotion going on, there were maybe a dozen what I would describe as being little girls holding signs with numbers on them, the Kuwaiti men were obviously bidding. I asked my escort what was going on.
He said, oh, that’s just the new maids.
All the physical labor was done by small dark colored men, they all wore the same blue coverall, the Americans nicknamed them the “little blue dudes”. The Kuwaiti people did not treat them well at all. I took on home one day, there were about five of them living in a single car garage on cardboard, they got water from a pipe that dropped water from it, obviously an airconditioner drain. I met him when he was swiping some water from where we were staying which was Camp Doha Kuwait. I took him home that day and we became sort of friends he would stop by where I worked often and I would give him things, food etc.

Really had me wondering if we were on the right side.

So all you people who want to act all indignant about such insignificant things as what silly flag your neighbor wants to fly on their boat or start assigning meanings to things that don’t exist, if you really actually felt that way and aren’t just wanting to find a cause, get off your butt and do something about it.
There is an incredible amount to actual real physical racism in the world you can fight against, children who are being abused and taken advantage of, there is no shortage of wrong things being done.
However I know that most of you just want to feel superior and smug, display that your better than others is the actual motivation. Your the same people that bought a new Toyota Prius years ago when that was the popular thing to do, you shop at Whole Foods and talk about saving the Earth or the Whales or whatever, but in fact other than a lot of complaining, you actually don’t do anything, you may attend some rallies or similar that make you feel superior, but that’s about it.