Steve & Linda Dashew retire

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by boatman61

This is for John..
Have not sailed on one but.. I have been on one of Dashews sailboats..
For me.. at its price.. it was basic in the extreme .. .. .

I agree with this. For modern standards, they are very spartan and plasticky below, and the interior is cave-like. Once I stepped aboard a raised salon boat, I could never have a boat like that.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

And a single tug burns 7000 litres of diesel a day
A containership burns 225,000 litres a day
And you are concerned about something that sips fuel.

Now tell me again how much fossil fuel was burnt making all the resins, plastics, aluminium , engines etc etc on your boat while I get some stones to throw at your glass house.

Oh and round up some carrier pigeons to return the computer you are posting on.
It was made from fossil fuels and came over on that 225,000 litre a day ship.
Shame on you.

Shame on me? So you think we can continue to burn unlimited quantities of fossil fuels and that all governments around the world that are taking a huge number of measures to diminish consumption are fools?

The diminution of emmissions has to do with can be bettered on dispensable.

Today all governments around the world demand strict control in what regards emission on new engines for everything, from shipping to cars. Most ships use diesel electric engines partially on account of that.

There are things that are needed, namely shipping transportation and tug work. Regarding that what can be done is improving efficiency.

Regarding the use of engines for pleasure activities, it is not a necessity and it cannot be put at equal level and yes, I do not find desirable or needed the use of power boats for doing long rage cruising due to environmental concerns.

They burn 30 to 40 more times diesel than a sailing boat of the same size time doing the same. The difference in efficiency in what regards pollution for doing the same job is huge.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Polux

RRRAAARRRGGGHHHHHH
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The gift that keeps on giving

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

The gift that keeps on giving

When someone ressources to this type of insulting and nil arguments it says a lot about you and nothing abou the subject in discussion.

It seems you don't know that efficiency and less pollution on all types of maritime transport is a huge concern today. Modern ships waste less than what you have mentioned and there are goals to be achieved in what regards less burning of fossil combustibles.

"Reducing fuel consumption and carbon emissions are two of the main concerns of shipping industry today. A lot has already been done in terms of research and development to make the ultimate green ship. From renewable/ alternate sources of energy to design modifications, the industry has constantly improved its technology for an enhanced form of sustainable shipping."

https://www.marineinsight.com/tech/7...tion-of-ships/

And you don't think that in what regards long range cruising we should have identical concerns? Before someone decide for us?

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Polux

Shame on me? So you think we can continue to burn unlimited quantities of fossil fuels and that all governments around the world that are taking a huge number of measures to diminish consumption are fools?

The diminution of emmissions has to do with can be bettered on dispensable.

Today all governments around the world demand strict control in what regards emission on new engines for everything, from shipping to cars. Most ships use diesel electric engines partially on account of that.

There are things that are needed, namely shipping transportation and tug work. Regarding that what can be done is improving efficiency.

Regarding the use of engines for pleasure activities, it is not a necessity and it cannot be put at equal level and yes, I do not find desirable or needed the use of power boats for doing long rage cruising due to environmental concerns.

They burn 30 to 40 more times diesel than a sailing boat of the same size time doing the same. The difference in efficiency in what regards pollution for doing the same job is huge.

30 or 40 times? This is just wrong, Paolo. The FPB 64 uses 12 liters/hour at economical cruise. My boat uses 4 liters/hour, and my boat is not the same size. Something like an HR64 uses about 7 liters/hour. So where do you get 30 or 40 times? Just make it up? Maybe you're factoring in sailing vs. motoring, but the average cruising sailboat motors AT LEAST 50% of the time. So that's 3.5 liters per hour for the HR64. So the FPB is what -- 3 times more than that, in average use?


On the rest of it -- OK, we get that although you don't use a motorboat yourself, you would like to forbid them. Great; write to your MEP and suggest putting a bill through the European Parliament. Good luck with that.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Polux

More angry rants and zero solutions

How are those carrier pigeons going so you can return the device you are posting on that arrived on one of those ships you hate so much?

Originally Posted by Dockhead

30 or 40 times? This is just wrong, Paolo. The FPB 64 uses 12 liters/hour at economical cruise. My boat uses 4 liters/hour, and my boat is not the same size. Something like an HR64 uses about 7 liters/hour. So where do you get 30 or 40 times? Just make it up? Maybe you're factoring in sailing vs. motoring, but the average cruising sailboat motors AT LEAST 50% of the time. So that's 3.5 liters per hour for the HR64. So the FPB is what -- 3 times more than that, in average use?

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How dare you confuse facts with delusion

FWIW we us 15lph@ 7.5knts shifting a 70tonne house.

[Nightsky]

Originally Posted by Polux

"Reducing fuel consumption and carbon emissions are two of the main concerns of shipping industry today. A lot has already been done in terms of research and development to make the ultimate green ship. From renewable/ alternate sources of energy to design modifications, the industry has constantly improved its technology for an enhanced form of sustainable shipping."

https://www.marineinsight.com/tech/7...tion-of-ships/

And you don't think that in what regards long range cruising we should have identical concerns? Before someone decide for us?

Isn't this exactly what the Dashews have done?

[Jim Cate]

Just a thought: were not the clipper ships a better example of the "ultimate green ship" than any fossil fueled vessel could ever be?

Jim

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Just a thought: were not the clipper ships a better example of the "ultimate green ship" than any fossil fueled vessel could ever be?

Jim

For an ultimate sailor.. yes..
But these folks are arguing FOR the Donk and its indispensability..

[Tricolor]

This discussion is like a Rolls-Royce owner discussing with a Bentley owner who of them has the best green footprint.

[rgleason]

Very interesting Boatman61, did not know about that. There is little to guide these kinds of global impacts. We have problems to work out. It will take time and understanding.Will understanding occur soon enough?

I saw a Dashew motor boat at West Harbor, Fisher's Island, NY. It was striking and purposeful, but overkill in my opinion. It was actually Steve and Linda in one of their early power boats. I thought about rowing over and haling them, but I had had an earilier correspondence with Steve about his support of MaxSea ( relatively new at the time) and his website about it.

His response really turned me off. It was basically I and my services are available if you have money, if not go elsewhere. Note: Now time may changed my report, but that was my impression. I actually regret not having rowed over, as I think he is probably a very interesting person and I really would have liked seeing the boat and details and meeting Linda and Steve.

I respect the depth of his design, and am drawn to his concepts and the process, and the end results do represent his goals, however what is missing is a sense of history and romance, and that Scottish trait perhaps best known as "penurious". I see none of that restraint.

I do find his boats fascinating from the first Beowolf to the brash aluminun powerboats built in NZ with aluminum from Invergargill.

[rgleason]

I agree wih Polux, REDUCE!!! Everything.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by rgleason

I agree wih Polux, REDUCE!!! Everything.

America first as they have been the land of excess for as long as I can remember.

They do seem to have a penchant for large fuel guzzling trucks and suvs for doing the shopping in and huge hp drug runner style boats for catching small fish from.

Perhaps they need to pay more for fuel like most other countries do?

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Tricolor

This discussion is like a Rolls-Royce owner discussing with a Bentley owner who of them has the best green footprint.

Absolutely right

You put your finger right on it.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by rgleason

I agree wih Polux, REDUCE!!! Everything.

Great idea! You first! Set an example, and then post about how you did it, and then you'll inspire others.

If you really care about having an actual effect, then this is the way to do it.

If on the other hand, you just want to feel smug, then by all means, just criticize others, and particularly other people's sports. Now that we've done motor yachters, why don't we start a new thread criticizing private jets, people who fly to go skiing, snowmobilers, why, the list is endless. Even football -- the driving which takes place for people to attend football games dwarfs the carbon footprint of surely all the motor yachts in the world.