Which countries in carribean and azores, canaries are guns ok

[roland stockham]

Originally Posted by john61ct

I think there is also a genetic component, those heading out to the colonies - for whatever reasons - probably much less risk averse than those staying in the motherland.

Then the impact of living in what started out largely as wilderness, the "lawless frontier" cultural aspects.

Freedom to steal, rape and pillage was a big part of the "pursuit of happiness" you go back far enough.

That is unfair and unjust to may of the great people I have met from the USA. ALL countries are born in strife and unrest if not open war. Once the boarders are secure and the ideas around national identiy are settled plus the integration of the various groups that previously existed has been achieved violence is subsumed by the state agencies (police and army). We do tend to expect that to be permenat but even a brief look at social history shows that is a mistake. Any breakdown in civil rule leads to the civil populate reclaiming the right to violence.
As outsiders may percieve the USA as violent and uncivilised but should remember it is a very new country still in the process of intigration. Think of them as unrully teenagers (just look at Trump!!!) They dfiniitly have no worse a record in the mayhem stakes than any other colonial power it's just way more recent

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by GordMay

There’s an obvious difference between a “mass murder”, and a “mass shooting” (which doesn’t require any fatalities). Since there may not be a generally accepted definition, the Gun Violence Archive provides one (4 victims). This seems, to me, a reasonable number.
I wasn’t trying to draw any conclusions about the effectiveness of gun control, in preventing violence.
I was continuing my earlier thesis, that America is NOT more “criminal” than other societies - just that American criminals may be more violent.

However, I may have, regretfully, furthered thread drift, towards "political & ideological" territory, for which I apologize.

The Gun Violence Archive does not differentiate between mass murder and mass shooting. The GVA is simply uses crowd sourcing to show that people with guns harm other people.

The government isn’t exactly helping with the numbers:

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/m...motion-9721994

[Montanan]

I'm a proud 'Merican and I believe the constitutional right of the people to keep and and arm bears, shall not be infringed.

[Tingum]

Originally Posted by NPCampbell

Our constitutional right to bear arms extends beyond our borders to around 75% of the worlds surface ... on US flagged vessels anyway. You may legally carry arms on a US flagged vessel in international waters.

However, you must adhere to the following:

See: https://www.ice.gov/cpi/faq

Write us from your first foreign jail! Be sure to tell the judge of your "rights".

[john61ct]

Originally Posted by roland stockham

boarders are secure
…
national identiy
…
integration of the various groups that previously existed

All of these concepts are inherently suspect IMO.

And you seem to think colonialism and imperialism are normal national activities? Just as with greed itself, a root cause of much if not most violence and evil in the world, and only practiced on a large scale by a small handful of nations, even talking about going back a thousand years.

Given our advanced technology and obscene wealth you'd think we could be a leader in advancing the species' progress and positive evolution, rather than making excuses for lagging behind - or even working against - all the rest of the developed world.

Just so a tiny fraction at the top can live in ease and comfort?

[Jason Flare]

Originally Posted by GordMay

I was continuing my earlier thesis, that America is NOT more “criminal” than other societies - just that American criminals may be more violent.

I think you ruled out the possibility of genetics that john61ct put forth so to what do you attribute the possibility that American criminals are more violent?

[john61ct]

Looking up murder rate stats, NYC is one of the lowest per population in the US.

And overall, those cities with the largest and most recent immigration populations tend to have much lower crime rates than where "native" (ha) Americans still dominate.

[Montanan]

Popeye the sailor man carries big guns and never seems to get in trouble with the law.

More popcorn!

[Jason Flare]

@GordMay:

I have to dinghy into town so I expect this to be my last post for a while.

Let’s say Americans criminals are more violent in which case I would expect the law abiding to protect themselves against these more violent criminals.

Here’s another story:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...icials-say.amp

This guy defended himself against a home invasion. By definition this would be counted as a mass shooting by the Gun Violence Archive.

I can see the irony.

[jimisbell]

Originally Posted by roland stockham

That is unfair and unjust to may of the great people I have met from the USA. ALL countries are born in strife and unrest if not open war.

I am "great people" and I dont take offense at Johns comment. I too think there is a genetic component. Those that got on wooden sail boats and sailed toward the horizon instead of comfortably staying at home (Well, maybe not comfortably or why were they fleeing) must have had a more risk taking personality. Genetic?...maybe....maybe not.... But the populations of the USA and of Australia have often been described as being more "aggressive"/risk taking. And both are nations built from mass emigration. Now someone from Oz will take offense.



But I personally take it as a compliment. I once had a commander give me a letter of reprimand, describing me as, "too independent and self sufficient for isolated team duty" He was being critical. Hell, I took it as a great compliment. Still do.
That letter got me out of some really nasty assignments....LOL

[Jason Flare]

Double post.

[GordMay]

... ALL countries are born in strife and unrest if not open war...

Not true.
One of the differences between Canada and The United States, is that our independence was a long process of orderly negotiation, not a decisive declaration leading to war. July 1, 1867, does not loom in the Canadian imagination the way July 4, 1776, does in Americans’ minds.

Jon Stewart (The Daily Show) put it something like this:
“We (USA) fought a long and bloody war for our independence.
Canada asked, politely.”
Actually, Canada didn’t ask. The UK granted its four major dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa) independence in 1927. When the British government gave Canada its independence, the Canadian government thanked it, and asked that it retain the BNA (of 1867) Act so it could still have that mechanism to amend its constitution.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by john61ct

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I am pretty certain Americans living or travelling long-term outside the US are less law abiding than those who stay home. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

john, I appreciate your contributions on electrical systems on boats.


I do not appreciate this absolute BS. I have lived outside the US and traveled extensively.


This is utter nonsense.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by botanybay

More butter

Pass the salt please..

[Mike OReilly]

Well, hold on here… Even if we want to entertain this genetic theory, which is highly dubious to begin with, then the obvious comparison is Canada, and then Oz. The USA has 3x to 4x the “intentional murder rate” than either:

Australian: 1.16/100,000
Canada: 1.56/100,000
United States: 4.7/100,000

(Stats from https://www.nationmaster.com/country...-homicide-rate).

Any genetic heritage that may have been focused in the early settler population has long been diluted by the waves of immigration that have populated all the “new world” countries over the last 400 years or so.

I think there are social/cultural differences at play here, but making founding genetics the cause is demonstrably untrue.