Why people may not help you!

[peter57]

Originally Posted by Island Time O25

I think there is some psychological distancing which comes with increased wealth. And definitely there is some (much?) such distancing which comes if one is born into wealth. After all how many people who became wealthy during their lifetimes intentionally continue to reside in their old neighborhoods? Very few indeed and they are rare exceptions rather than the rule. To argue otherwise just flies in the face of the obvious.

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I wondered about a Condo cat and leaving the anchorage and moving into the "Joneses" Marina.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by poiu

Yes, I'm with you on this. My dad fought in WW2, my grandpa in WW1. They were never thanked for their service and never received thanks nor expected it in all the years afterwards. They just did did what they did, like so many of their generation and signed up voluntariy. In contrast, it seems wrong that our current day military are thanked so profusely.

Now, this might sound like a contradiction, but I have enormous respect for the bravery and professionalism for our soldiers. I do hold them in higher esteem than others, I just don't see the need to ladle on the thanks.

People.thank my dad every day he was a radio operator in B 17`s in europe and B25`s in the pacific. He says it actually means a lot to him now days .( he.also says what all vets know war is a nasty business.

[svHyLyte]

Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum

Your observations might sometimes be valid, but they will never be science. If you believe otherwise, then you are ignorant (though I've no ad hominem "so-and-so" to append to that).

Self-selected sample data is universally bogus. If every time you step out of a boat you sink to the bottom, it's evidence from which your buoyancy can be calculated given all the variables you bring to that step. It provides no otherwise useful data.

Rubbish. The history of "science" is ripe with "self selected sample data", for example, beginning with Archimedes, and proceeding in turn to Capernicus, Kepler, Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein all of who's theories, subsequently verified, arose from "self selected sample data"--i.e. empirical, or "what they observed", data dismissed by the "authorities" in their respective times.

Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum

Perhaps you should never read any advanced physics. I suspect relativity and quantum mechanics would make your head explode in all the ways that their verifiable predictions fly against the concept of "common sense" and "my experience."-

Considering that you know nothing of my academic credentials, professional licenses, qualifications or professional experience I suggest that your own ad hominem arguements focused on my intellectual capabilities simply illustrates the shallowness and logical fallacy of your rebuttals of my earlier commentary/observations, non?

As a practical matter the dispositions of those debating herein are much the consequence of opinions formed upon the experience of the commentator. As I said way back when, it would seem that the less well to do often seem to be more willing to help another in difficulty. That is not to say, however, that the more well to do are any less charitable or compassionate then the less well to do--at least in so far as my experience over the past 70 years. But hey, what the heck do I know, eh?

[Phisher]

My grandfather (WW2Surviuor) Always assist your fellow man. I don't understand why we would not help?? I am not in need of $$ and do not view humans other than humans. I will always assist regardless of my perceived value of their situation. Karma MFer's

[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by svHyLyte

Rubbish. The history of "science" is ripe with "self selected sample data", for example, beginning with Archimedes, and proceeding in turn to Capernicus, Kepler, Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein all of who's theories, subsequently verified, arose from "self selected sample data"--i.e. empirical, or "what they observed", data dismissed by the "authorities" in their respective times....

The above is the reason I stay out of discussions like this.

However, it's getting really entertaining now.

[svHyLyte]

Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum

I'm barely average, if that. Some of the people I'm criticizing are likely to be much smarter than me.

Poor English but undoubtedly so...

Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum

And that lowers my opinion of them even further, because they know what they're doing and still do it.

Oh dear...the pity of it..if, of course, your, or any of our, opinions are of any consequence, eh?

[adoxograph]

This thread is on the road to "Closed by Moderator"

Don't mind me standing in the corer enjoying the show

[brianlara 3]

Lots of 'silverbacks' on this thread.
And mirrors no doubt abound.
So bloody sad.
The dimunitive and humble Bonobo could teach many a thing or two.
But then, leopards ( hyenas, vultures etc) rarely display fresh colours.

[SailingFan]

Originally Posted by StuM

I'm calling Godwin's Law. You lose!

Nope, I don't, it is not a win-lose discussion, and as you can easily see (since so many here love to quote Wikipedia), "Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate." In this case, Hitler used "donations" to the public as a means to influence people to make Germany into what he wanted it to be, rather than what it actually was. As such, his use of this sort of influence does directly apply, as does the mention of this method of interference with the political status of the country, and ultimately, it changed the world as we know it.

So if it is a win lose, I guess I have to claim a "neener - neener" on you. Not that I would stoop to such things...

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[SailingFan]

Hitler used this to change areas of the country to vote for him (buy votes!) with food for starving populations, cash payments, etc., and when it was not successful enough, they took to breaking legs and twisting arms to speed things along for the SECOND election.

We all have seen similar tactics here in the US of late (even though the mainstream media and the uninformed on the Internet have no idea or willingness to admit it is happening, even when they are personally acting in the same capacity) when the losing party just cannot seem to get over losing, in spite of the frauds committed (dead people voting, more votes cast for that party in a district that did not have the population to cast that many votes in total, intimidation and paid violence at opponent's rallies then blaming it on the opponent, intimidation of voters over social media, threats to electoral college voters and their families, that sort of thing). History tells us that this is very applicable, and the sooner people learn that, the sooner they will stop repeating history, because everyone will be seeing it for what it is.

Learn some history. You will like it. Or at least you will understand more...

[uncle stinkybob]

Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum

I'm barely average, if that. Some of the people I'm criticizing are likely to be much smarter than me. And that lowers my opinion of them even further, because they know what they're doing and still do it.

Perhaps they still are not the problem then. Perhaps you merely are not smart enough to understand their point of view. Most here are having trouble understanding you'res but I don't think that has anything to do with smart's...or the lacking of. I'm certainly no genus but I'm smart enough to know an arrogant ass when I see one. No fing science need here!

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by SailingFan

Nope, I don't, it is not a win-lose discussion, and as you can easily see (since so many here love to quote Wikipedia), "Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate." In this case, Hitler used "donations" to the public as a means to influence people to make Germany into what he wanted it to be, rather than what it actually was. As such, his use of this sort of influence does directly apply, as does the mention of this method of interference with the political status of the country, and ultimately, it changed the world as we know it.

So if it is a win lose, I guess I have to claim a "neener - neener" on you. Not that I would stoop to such things...

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I call mulligan on this one
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulligan_(games)

[weavis]

So sad. Is becoming almost impossible to have a nice discussion..

Closed.