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bbowers2004 · 25-09-2013, 07:16

Good show by both squads

thomm225 · 25-09-2013, 07:26

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Originally Posted by bbowers2004

Good show by both squads

Exactly, and you have to be impressed with how Dean Barker is handling a very tough situation.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/america...es-Dean-Barker

svlamorocha · 25-09-2013, 08:58

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Originally Posted by SvenG

Seems really odd to have the "leward boat" rule without something like the "mast abeam" exception that at least used to be in the dinghy racing rule book. As New Zealand almost showed Oracle (back) the windward boat can't evade a hit from a leward boat when the leward boat's pivot point is that much further astern than the windward boat's.
-Sven

Th old "mast abeam" limit went away when they overhauled the rules in 1997.

In my understanding the situation where "the windward boat can't evade a hit from a leeward boat" is covered by the new requirement that the Leeward boat has to give the other boat "room to keep clear". Also note that note there is no "sharp luff" allowed and no more "luff as she pleases".

Therefore if Leeward complies with the rules there will only be a collision if Windward does not "act promptly in a seamanlike way". Granted, now the limit is one of seamanship (less objective) instead of geometry (more objective?).

Cheers

C

woff · 25-09-2013, 09:02

The difference was clearly the arrival of Ben Ainsley, what a difference a brit makes!
To quote my old Kiwi mate Russell Poulston,
"Americas Cup ... ??? What's that?
Bloody Team NZ. Really cocked this one up.
Hate to say it, but Oracle deserve to win.
Interesting part is that if the Kiwis win the last race, they will still most likely lose in the Courts.
To win the cup, it is the first to win 9 races and Oracle have already done that. Just so happens they are behind because they cheated and started down 2 races.
If it goes to the US Supreme Court, Oracle will win. It is a US court ....
Mind you, they deserve it anyway."

SvenG · 25-09-2013, 09:07

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Originally Posted by svlamorocha

Th old "mast abeam" limit went away when they overhauled the rules in 1997.

In my understanding the situation where "the windward boat can't evade a hit from a leeward boat" is covered by the new requirement that the Leeward boat has to give the other boat "room to keep clear". Also note that note there is no "sharp luff" allowed and no more "luff as she pleases".

Therefore if Leeward complies with the rules there will only be a collision if Windward does not "act promptly in a seamanlike way". Granted, now the limit is one of seamanship (less objective) instead of geometry (more objective?).

Thanks. I went and looked it up and agree with you.

I do think the new rule is a step in the wrong direction as it actually encourages boat contact as we saw when NZ tried to do the same thing back to the US boat in the last race.

-Sven

s/v 'Faith' · 25-09-2013, 09:24

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Originally Posted by bbowers2004

Good show by both squads

absolutely!

thomm225 · 25-09-2013, 09:42

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Originally Posted by woff

The difference was clearly the arrival of Ben Ainsley, what a difference a brit makes!
To quote my old Kiwi mate Russell Poulston,
"Americas Cup ... ??? What's that?
Bloody Team NZ. Really cocked this one up.
Hate to say it, but Oracle deserve to win.
Interesting part is that if the Kiwis win the last race, they will still most likely lose in the Courts.
To win the cup, it is the first to win 9 races and Oracle have already done that. Just so happens they are behind because they cheated and started down 2 races.
If it goes to the US Supreme Court, Oracle will win. It is a US court ....
Mind you, they deserve it anyway."

I believe they lost the first couple races after Ainslie became part of the afterguard. He has definitely helped though (along with Tom Slingsby) and that extra gear Team Oracle found.

It always helps to have an extremely fast boat.

Julie Mor · 25-09-2013, 09:44

Thirty years ago, when Dennis Connor skippered Liberty and lost the Cup after having a 3-1 edge in the best of 7 series, he was flogged and keel-hauled endlessly for having blown such a commanding lead and breaking the longest win streak in sports history. Even today, there are still people who can't find a nice thing to say about him.

Let's hope neither skipper and crew gets that kind of treatment, however the final race goes.

thomm225 · 25-09-2013, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Julie Mor

Thirty years ago, when Dennis Connor skippered Liberty and lost the Cup after having a 3-1 edge in the best of 7 series, he was flogged and keel-hauled endlessly for having blown such a commanding lead and breaking the longest win streak in sports history. Even today, there are still people who can't find a nice thing to say about him.

Let's hope neither skipper and crew gets that kind of treatment, however the final race goes.

I wonder why people would still have bad things to say about Big Dennis? He/They lost the Cup in 1983, but came back to reclaim it in 1987 beating Australia 4 to 0.

Also, in 1983, The Australians were still learning how to sail their new fangled wing keeled boat. Liberty was a much slower boat. Big Dennis was getting leads through better tactics and mistakes by the Australians, but the Australians started really getting really fast at the right time.

On the last race when the Australians came from behind to win, they were sailing lower and faster than the Americans on Liberty.

In case anyone is interested, here's the full story of the 1983 America's Cup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-L3L_3dyOE

Ocean Girl · 25-09-2013, 10:40

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Originally Posted by caradow

You guys are absolutely right!
New Zealanders should be very proud who ever wins the cup.
So I will be first to say it....CONGRATULATIONS NEW ZEALAND!!!!!
If the americans do win with only one american on board, then have they really won or was it just american money that won?
I can't imagine the pride and sense of accomplishment every New Zealander is feeling today.

No, it doesn't take away from the joy. At least for me it doesn't, America is made up of the nations of the world, kinda cool. At work during lunch, I sat down with folks from the Philippines, India, England, Pakistan, Egypt,We would share our meals, loved trying new things. People from other places can bring the best of their culture and ethics. Gotta say it again, kinda cool! But I know what you mean, New Zealand rocks, who could begrudge them anything

I have no TV and my internet is patchy, Can y'all give updates as they come?

Ocean Girl · 25-09-2013, 10:43

My husband just announce we are heading for the sports bar to watch the final race

, cannot miss this one.
Cheers, go team USA

caradow · 25-09-2013, 11:21

Hey Ocean Girl sounds like you work at the UN :-)

But please don't confuse ethnicity with nationalism.
I am all for having a diverse america, but how many of the crew on the american boat do you think has at least a green card?
I do think Ellison's idea with the AC-45's will eventually put american's (whatever the ethnicity) eventually back into racing american boats.
Again Kiwi's have a lot to be proud of whoever wins!