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rustyrusty · 22-05-2010, 21:51

Can someone with experiance with Gemeni cats give me an idea how sea worthy are they. Would you do a Pacific crossing assuming you had water maker solar pannels ect. They seem expencive to ship.
Thanks.

Laidback · 22-05-2010, 22:39

Which specific model are you seeking info on? My understanding is that certain models are not beachable - which in many parts of good cruising anchorages is a real disadvantage.

rustyrusty · 23-05-2010, 00:54

Thanks for the reply, 34' Gemini's I think all have retractable rudders and keels.
I think they are not made for a pacific crossing. New here are around $290k not many secondhand and they ask around $200k at $40k+ to get one out here plus 10% Tax might not be worth it. If you could sail it out it might be worth it. Also you might not get insurance. I just wondered if someone has done it.
There is one in New Zealand I might ask them how they got it there.

Laidback · 23-05-2010, 03:05

I presume one means retractable center boards ? Where do you want to get the cat to?
Many good multihulls available from good designers in NZ and Australia.
The 34' 105 MC is well made - could easily make the passage from San Diego CA to Cairns Australia via the F.P. islands - bit narrow in the beam, 17ft would be a better number.

rustyrusty · 23-05-2010, 03:55

Yes retractable keel and swing up rudders. There is some fine boats here but cant get anything like what I see over there. 2001 Gemini with good things like radar ect. Boat $100kUS @84c $130k
Sail it here. East Coast $ 24k
10% GST No Duty $ 5.4k
Insurance $ 5
Go there survey batteries solar
watermaker fix a few things. $ 20k
Cost in AU with customs $ 2k

Total $ 186,500
Show me a boat in Australia that comes anywhere near that.

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Laidback · 23-05-2010, 04:35

Very hard to compare 2001 vintage Australia catamarans with a cat of 34' x 14' beam from the USA. The the Designers from the Southern Hemisphere and France had moved Multihulls to another level.
The figure of $186,500 I understand is the landed cost of a 34ft Gemini in Australia -- excluding the cost of passage. That is expensive for a boat that is regarded to be in the vintage class.

rustyrusty · 23-05-2010, 05:33

Let me give you some links to what is being sold here.

PROUT SNOWGOOSE ELITE 37 boat details - BoatPoint Australia

GEMINI CATAMARAN boat details - BoatPoint Australia

PROUT ELITE 37 boat details - BoatPoint Australia

SIMPSON 10 SAILING CATAMARAN boat details - BoatPoint Australia

SIMPSON CAT boat details - BoatPoint Australia

CORSAIR 36 boat details - BoatPoint Australia

This is about all that is in Australia for sale. I know you will say the Prout Elite is the pick. I had a look at both these Prouts one made in Australia, poor finish had a refit by an previous owner not real good. The other ?? I might go back and have another look but you say 2001 is old this is really showing its age. To get something any good you have to start spending $300++

I appreciate you input and know I'm on a bit of a learning curve here so I might be missing something what do you mean Australian cat builders have taken it to a higher level. Do you mean speed or strength. Quality of finish. I wouldn't call sticking carpet on the walls a hi level of finish I see a lot of that.
Thanks for your input.

DaveOnCudjoe · 23-05-2010, 05:57

I considered a Gemini before buying my F-31. I looked at several and decided against them based on bridge deck clearance, reserve bouyancy forward and general strength of construction. I am not an engineer or surveyor but would not consider an offshore passage in one. I do believe, however, that the designer crossed the North Atlantic in a 105. Dave

SVWindchill · 24-05-2010, 14:49

This might tell you a little about them. They did a Pacific Crossing on theirs.

Around the world on SLAPDASH

Canibul · 25-05-2010, 04:49

There are so many variables involved that it just doesn't make sense to look at the boat and say you could take it trans-oceanic or you could not take it trans-oceanic. The boat, the rig, the weather, and the crew all factor into it.

Let's face is, some sailors can take a log, a few pieces of bamboo and a bedsheet and cross an ocean. Other people with the money to buy any boat they want still shouldn't be allowed to even touch the tiller if other lives are at stake.

Rubikoop · 25-05-2010, 05:34

These people did an Atlantic crossing and are still cruising on their 105 SV Footprint

Fishman_Tx · 25-05-2010, 08:15

I'm definitely liking the Prouts more and more..
From Yachtworld, several good prospects in the Med. Listed all Prouts from 0-200k in AU $.
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