Great Barrier Reef "cooked" to death

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by DavidM1600

Absolutely am serious in my reply. The question you should ask yourself is are you, since you seem incapable of separating fact facts from fiction. The boot is on the other foot

No boots or ascots on my boat.

[captlloyd]

The water does not seem to care if you believe in global warming. They are raising the street levels on the coastal areas of Miami Beach. Guess they have a lot of blacktop they need to get rid of. The mayor of Miami Beach gives the beachfront hotels about 20-30 years, then water in the lobbies. Ask the hotels owners if Al Gore is a joke.

[billb596]

You are all fools if you do not think Globel Warming will kill us all......Yada Yada Yada. Please excuse me if I don't drink your coolaid. Your uneducated and did not do your homework bla bla bla. I have done my homework and can remember when the "Scietists" said we were all doomed in the 1970's. A couple of small examples:
https://youtu.be/1kGB5MMIAVA
References:

1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 - Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 - New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (The Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 - Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 - Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (The Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 - U.S. and Soviet Press Studies of a Colder Arctic (The New York Times, July 18, 1970)
1970 - Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 - Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 - Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (The Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)
1971 - Pollution May Bring Ice Age - Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)
1971 - U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 - Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 - Danger: Ice age may lurk in dusty skies (The Christian Science Monitor, July 12, 1971)
1971 - New Ice Age Coming - It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 - Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 - Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 - Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Coming (Deseret News, September 8, 1972)
1972 - There's a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)
1972 - Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 - British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (The Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 - New Ice Age Slipping Over North (The Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Beginning of new ice age (The Canberra Times, September 12, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 - Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 - British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 - Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1972 - Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters - Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)
1973 - New Ice Age coming? (Popular Science, January 1973)
1973 - The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 - Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1973)
1973 - 'Man-made Ice Age' Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
1973 - Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (The Spartanburg Herald, June 28, 1973)
1973 - Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
1973 - Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 - Ominous Changes in the World's Weather (PDF) (Fortune Magazine, February 1974)
1974 - Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?‎ (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)
1974 - Support for theory of a cooling world (The Canberra Times, May 16, 1974)
1974 - New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 - Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 - 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 - Climate: A Key to the World's Food Supply (NOAA, October, 1974)
1974 - Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 - Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)
1974 - Making a BBC Science Special [The Weather Machine] (New Scientist, November 14, 1974)
1974 - The Weather Machine (BBC, November 20, 1974)
1974 - New ice age 'could be in our lifetime' (The Canberra Times, November 22, 1974)
1974 - Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 - Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 - Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 - More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 - Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 5, 1974)
1975 - Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 - Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 - B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 - Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 - New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 - The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 - The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 - Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)
1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 - The Armadillos Are Heading South; Ice Age Coming? Chilling Thought for Humanity. (Chicago Tribune, June 2, 1975)
1975 - Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)
1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 - Experts ponder another ice age (The Spokesman-Review, September 8, 1975)
1975 - Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 11, 1975)
1976 - Deadly Harvest [Film] (Starring: Kim Cattrall, Clint Walker, 1976)
1976 - The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976)
1976 - It's Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)
1976 - Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 - Blizzard - What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 - The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1977 - The Ice Age Cometh... (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)
1977 - Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)
1977 - Sunspot lull may bring on new ice age (The Christian Science Monitor, March 30, 1977)
1977 - We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 - Ice! [Book] (Arnold Federbush, 1978)
1978 - The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 - Winter May Be Colder Than In Last Ice Age (Deseret News, January 2, 1978)
1978 - Current Winters Seen Colder Than In Ice Age‎ (The Telegraph, January 3, 1978)
1978 - Winter Temperatures Colder Than Last Ice Age (Eugene Register-Guard, Eugene Register-Guard, January 3, 1978)
1978 - International Team of Specialists Finds No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend in Northern Hemisphere (The New York Times, January 5, 1978)
1978 - Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 - It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Kentucky New Era, February 12, 1978)
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, ‎February 13, 1978‎)
1978 - The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 - An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 - A Choice of Catastrophes - The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 - The Sixth Winter [Book] (John R. Gribbin, 1979)
1979 - The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age Building Up (Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
1979 - Get Ready to Freeze (Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 - New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

[alansmith]

Lake Effect, due to my age I am confused in how u can call me a victim because I am now more self conscious about my carbon foot print. I also hold a masters degree in microbiological science. I am a voracious reader of many journals. I love our planet.

My opinion was simply a way to say that no matter what your opinion is... and I never try to force my opinion on anyone...about global warming that it has made people more aware of their personal impact on earth due to habits. That is not being made a victim, sir, but a person who is now more aware of their carbon footprint.

It matters not when the green movement began. But what I can say is that in my observations of general behavior amongst people they are more aware. Twenty years ago the garbage companies did not have recycle containers. They didn't have a place or method for collecting dead batteries or waste paint. So, by your statements about people now being victims I guess that we should all just slit our wrists because we are practicing a more ecologically sound lifestyle.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by NorthSea

You mockers are delusional. Global warming is not a theory, it is a series of facts. Why don't you educate yourselves? Read some books and scientific articles on the subject. The overwhelming consensus of the scientific community is that overwhelming planetary changes are happening at an unprecedented rate. If you want to make a joke out of it to help you with your denial, you show yourselves as the shallow, selfish people that you are.

Hey North...You should have been around 6 months ago in the Climate Change threads that were active and went well over 2000 posts. It was cross between a ping pong tournament and a train wreck in slow motion.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by alctel

No - actual warming did not stop. The earth is still getting warmer. Where on earth did you read that? The data is extremely clear on this, as well as being clear that there is link to the amount of carbon in the atmosphere



No he didn't. Again, where the hell are you reading this? And Al Gore isn't the one collecting or interpreting data.

Possibly here...


Weekly World News | The World's Only Reliable News

[Olddave]

Originally Posted by alctel

We can see carbon levels and average temperature from the past in various ways. Not weather exactly, but we can get a good idea of the average conditions and how carbon in the atmosphere corresponds to average temperature.

Also yes it's cyclic, but usually the periods of warming took place over 200,000 years not 200 years. This is not a good sign.

People get emotional over this because there is so much evidence that points towards something catastrophic happening and people just recycle tired talking points from discredited sources and show a complete lack of any understanding how science actually works - there has been a concerted effort to muddy the waters on this and it's worked amazingly.

Which means instead of working today as a species to try to combat this, we spend all our time squabbling about it.

Anyway, I'm out. Climate change threads in this forum are profoundly depressing.

Hi Alctel,
Don't get me wrong, I do not doubt that we are accelerating climate change, however, there is a lot of questionable "facts" getting thrown around to support the argument.
If you believe that climate change normally occurs over 200,000 years, I recommend some research into ice ages.

This planet and its life forms have survived and evolved through many ice ages and the dramatic climate changes that are a part of an aging planet. Off the top of my head, I recall that an ice age occurs about once every 30,000 years. Look at sea level historic changes. There has been periods of very rapid change in the past and there will be again. Will life adapt? Most will I suspect. Coral reefs move north and south with climate change. The GBR is only 7,000 years old, sea levels were something like 50 metres lower only that long ago.
Anyway, thank you for your contribution to this thread, it's good when people with different opinions can chat without getting excited and attacking each other.
Dave.

[buzzstar]

Originally Posted by captlloyd

The water does not seem to care if you believe in global warming. They are raising the street levels on the coastal areas of Miami Beach. Guess they have a lot of blacktop they need to get rid of. The mayor of Miami Beach gives the beachfront hotels about 20-30 years, then water in the lobbies. Ask the hotels owners if Al Gore is a joke.

So the mayor of Miami Beach is an expert on global warming/climate
change? But, yes, Al Gore is a joke.

[Pelagic]

Originally Posted by tuskie

.
....Most reefs are fine, undamaged and in similar condition to what I remember from visits over a 30 year period. We definitely DID observe catastrophic damage to extensive areas of reef north of 16.5°S. Not all corals were dead, but the majority were. There has been extensive cyclone damage in this area to make matters worse, but most damage was due to coral bleaching due to exposure to very warm water for an extended period last summer.
Given time and cooler water this coral will recover. If we regularly get more bleaching events, it probably won't.

Our experience over several years of cruising is that (a) the GBR is still magnificent, but under environmental pressure, and (b) there are many cruisers who are blinkered by their extreme right wing ideology.

I think a lot of Australians underestimate the push on effect of damage by Cyclones to the coral, coupled with bleaching.

I have been diving the GBR extensively since the 90‘s, mostly on dive oriented Super yachts.

I love the area, but do think it should really be called PGBR..
..."Pretty Good Barrier Reef"

That is mostly due to the full on punishment by the Cyclones compared to what we find exploring PNG island groups further north that don't get such a hard hammering

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by alansmith

Lake Effect, due to my age I am confused in how u can call me a victim because I am now more self conscious about my carbon foot print. I also hold a masters degree in microbiological science. I am a voracious reader of many journals. I love our planet.

I believe you misread my comment. If you will check it again, I think you will find that the 'victim' line is a link, pointing to an article about how NASA climate research is about to be gutted. The climate and environmental science done by NASA is the victim. Not your good self.

(also, this is a cruising forum, just about all of us are old )

[RaymondR]

Apparently the real problem in Australia at the moment is that foxes are overrunning Tasmania.


A few years ago a dead fox and some scat was found in Tasmania which supposedly does not have any native foxes (The rest of the country did not until the British bought them from the British Isles so they could have fox hunts, bloody unmentionables chasing the inedible)


The good old taxpayer leapt to the rescue and funded $50,000,000 of fox research and studies to eradicate the little devils and it has now come out that the original signs were probably a plant by someone in a government department who wanted to see more research funded.


The upshot of this for this particular over-privileged white male is that I am now going to have to carry the burden of guilt of also being a foxes-in-Tasmania sceptic.


Dunno if I can handle much more guilt??

[Scotty Kiwi]

Originally Posted by knockabout

when it dies they will be able to grind it up and sell it to china like everything else / wonders of the world sand for high houses and paving

Na, coral sand is too hard on your knees.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by varkpilot

Hmm. Lying ol' satellites. If you can't trust electronics to support your claims, who CAN you trust???

What RSS data really looks like courtesy of RSS.



The misrepresentations of RSS temperature data by Lord Monckton on Morano's site is a clear deviation from "the truth."

From the folks at RSS on the misuse of their satellite data.

The Recent Slowing in the Rise of Global Temperatures
Authors: Carl Mears, Vice President RSS

Date Added: Monday, September 22, 2014

Recently, a number of articles in the mainstream press have pointed out that there appears to have been little or no change in globally averaged temperature over the last two decades. Because of this, we are getting a lot of questions along the lines of “I saw this plot on a denialist web site. Is this really your data?” While some of these reports have "cherry-picked”their end points to make their evidence seem even stronger, there is not much doubt that the rate of warming since the late 1990’s is less than that predicted by most of the IPCC AR5 simulations of historical climate. This can be seen in the RSS data, as well as most other temperature datasets. For example, the figure below is a plot of the temperature anomaly (departure from normal) of the lower troposphere over the past 35 years from the RSS “Temperature Lower Troposphere” (TLT) dataset. For this plot we have averaged over almost the entire globe, from 80S to 80N, and used the entire TLT dataset, starting from 1979. (The denialists really like to fit trends starting in1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope.)

Have a look at the graph from RSS.

Notice that not one single data point from 1994 to the present is below the mean. When temperatures are above average there is warming.



The Recent Slowing in the Rise of Global Temperatures | Remote Sensing Systems

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by varkpilot

Hmm. Lying ol' satellites. If you can't trust electronics to support your claims, who CAN you trust???

One other thing to note. The "trend line" is 2.3C above the mean for the entire RSS data set. Above temperatures are called warmer.

[jackdale]

For those interested in sea level trends.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents