Safety and Piracy In Mexican Waters

[zeehag]

mikereed those surfers were advised to remain on well travelled roads and not camp there guess what they ignored. oopsy donot ignore local knowledge.
a few years ago a well polished and shiny catamaran anchored in a well used bay and were boarded and robbed. donot advertise wealth. they did. they advertised without realizing that shiny and many toys is a dead giveaway of money. oops.
it doesnot pay to advertise. funny how that works. only thing attracted to shine is rats.
local knowledge is important to be able to access and follow. is like teling someone not to go thru east l a, as there is no fuel and they run out in east la as they ignored your information

i also know many who drive by car inland in summer for vacation from boat..is not a bad thing..just use brains. mexico is gorgeous and not all of mexico is border town thinking and border town violence.
but--please oh please stay the hell out of mexico so we can enjoy it here without all you alls' intrinsic negativity

[mikereed100]

Originally Posted by Guy

A couple of cruisers were attacked right in front Philo's in La Cruz not that long ago. Lat 38 had the story.

I stand corrected, although, not to put too fine a point on it, the victims were RV'ers and they were carjacked.

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

[model 10]

Originally Posted by mikereed100

I stand corrected, although, not to put too fine a point on it, the victims were RV'ers and they were carjacked.

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude

No I stand corrected. Sorry.

[Eder]

[QUOTE=Guy;2465499]

Originally Posted by mikereed100

of Rosarito, I cannot think of a single incident in which a cruiser has been threatened or harmed in Mexico. /QUOTE]

A couple of cruisers were attacked right in front Philo's in La Cruz not that long ago. Lat 38 had the story.

Must have been a while ago cuz Philo kicked the bucket and the bar is closed.

[Capt Gill]

Originally Posted by Group9

I don't know who told you tourists are protected from the cartels. They may only occasionally murder tourists, but I can give you a lot of examples of it happening. Some of the scenarios I have seen.
1. Tourist starts argument with cartel guy in bar, in Acapulco, not knowing he is arguing with a sociopathic killer (this happened to a student from New Orleans. They took him outside, beat him, and ran over him with a car repeatedly. His death certificate said he was killed in a traffic accident.
2. Tourist is mistaken for a police officer. This happened to a tourist from Fort Worth, who walked into a bar frequented by cartel members. His bad luck, he looked exactly like a DEA agent who the cartel had targeted. He simply disappeared and was only found later when the DEA started receiving information from informants because, they, too, believed a DEA agent had been killed. He was just listed as a missing person until months later when the DEA dug him (and the friend who just had the bad luck to walk in with him) up, (looking for his look alike agent who the cartel had finally kidnapped and killed).
3. Tourist is mistaken for a member of rival cartel (this usually only happens to tourist who are Spanish in appearance, but this one involved a tourist who looked very much like Edgar Valdez Villereal, whose nickname was La Barbie because of his Caucasian looks. The Los Zetas didn't bother to check his ID before trying to kill him (luckily, he was in an armored car and survived).
4. Completely random. Tourist college student down in Matamoros in 1989 for spring break, who is kidnapped, cut up, cooked and eaten (yes, eaten), by a drug cartel as part of a satanic ritual. Bet, you didn't hear about that one in the newspapers, did you? It finally came out, months later, as a by line. To their credit, even some of the other cartel members even thought this was pretty far gone (as evidenced by their wiretap conversations). They found 14 other partially dismembered bodies at the site. No one knows how many missing people they actually ate.

I could go on and on. Yeah, Mexico probably isn't more dangerous than a lot of American cities like Detroit, New Orleans or Chicago. But, I wonder why people go there for vacation, too.

Again, violence doesn't really affect you, until it affects you. But, the idea that if there was a lot of violence in Mexico against tourists, it would be reported, is being more naïve than any adult wanting to go there has a right to be. Corruption just isn't about money. It's a way of life, including the way the media is affected and works.

It's everybody's own decision about where they go and what they do. But, the best decisions are the ones made with the most information.

I think you may be too subtle with your satire above, some folks may take it seriously as some do with publications as the National Inquirer and the like, although we have a pretty sophisticated group, so to those, please forgive me if I sound condescending which is not my intention , to others please enjoy the rare piece of satire for which it is.

[Scout 30]

Originally Posted by sailstoo

Kinda says it all...
Spring break - Nolan Webster break - Spring Cancun Mexico

Almost every one of these deaths was accidental & most were drownings or water related. Very few actual crimes.

[model 10]

Originally Posted by Eder

Must have been a while ago cuz Philo kicked the bucket and the bar is closed.

The pizza was really bad anyway.

[SecondBase]

Originally Posted by AndyEss

Downtown Chicago and many parts of the city are glorious urban areas - plenty of nightlife, good restaurants, music, excellent museums. I strongly recommend staying out of some areas on the west and south sides - but blanket statements about systematic problems covering entire American cities are untrue.

Andy

Our body count so far this year is 335 Chicagoans killed on a basis of 1,500 shootings. If your point is there are safer neighborhoods in Chicago well that's the same thing the "Mexico relatively safe" posters are saying about safer neighborhoods (and activities) in Mexico that they have observed.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chica...story,amp.html

Contrast: maybe a dozen American soldiers had died in Afghanistan this year (online sources differ slightly).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile....eaths.amp.html

Actually doing something about the problem in Chicago? Step 1 is eliminating the "Special Tax Free Zone for Cannabis Cash Sales" in Illinois which - let's be honest - right now this "zone" covers the entire prairie state. Revoking what is effectively tax exempt status for IL pot dealers would immediately cut say 100 murders and 500 shootings from the annual totals.

Note: Exactly ZERO Colorado pot retail establishments murdered someone during a drug sale this year (I don't actually have a reference for that stat but let's just take it on faith). Feel free to set those new tax rates nice and high.

[Flyingriki]

People are just reporting their personal experiences and what they think they know about everything else. That is only good as far as it goes. The reporting has been kept subdued intentionally to avoid mass exodus of tourism.
Now there are a few on the forum that know everything there is about a couple subjects closing their minds to any input no matter how accurate or useful to the discussion. You'll never change their mind about it with any facts or data. Zee just does it more pleasantly and entertainingly than others. No point arguing.

[AndyEss]

[QUOTE=SecondBase;2465654]Andy

Our body count so far this year is 335 Chicagoans killed on a basis of 1,500 shootings. If your point is there are safer neighborhoods in Chicago well that's the same thing the "Mexico relatively safe" posters are saying about safer neighborhoods (and activities) in Mexico that they have observed.

That's exactly what I'm saying - paralleling Zeehag some. Being situationally aware is important, don't be an a**hole on somebody else's turf, lay low and run when you can, fight when you have no other choice.

We can all climb into our caves, lock the gate, and shoot first - or go out (intelligently) and enjoy life while we're still walking and breathing.

I know what I prefer doing.

[Capt Gill]

[QUOTE=AndyEss;2465696]

Originally Posted by SecondBase

Andy

Our body count so far this year is 335 Chicagoans killed on a basis of 1,500 shootings. If your point is there are safer neighborhoods in Chicago well that's the same thing the "Mexico relatively safe" posters are saying about safer neighborhoods (and activities) in Mexico that they have observed.

That's exactly what I'm saying - paralleling Zeehag some. Being situationally aware is important, don't be an a**hole on somebody else's turf, lay low and run when you can, fight when you have no other choice.

We can all climb into our caves, lock the gate, and shoot first - or go out (intelligently) and enjoy life while we're still walking and breathing.

I know what I prefer doing.

Amen brother ! Next subject: Gated communities, what do they portend ? Never mind, I'm outta here, it's been an interesting thread.