US to Australia in One Year Starting February 2012

[savoir]

Dufour are sold in Australia.

Dufour Yachts Australia Sailing Yachts for Sale

The second one seems exactly what you want and comes with a huge inventory. You might get it for about 150US. I thought you would baulk at the newer one but maybe someone else hereabouts might not. It is about 100 US below new price and has much more gear.

Anyway, That's my 2c.

[dennisail]

Don't get me wrong. I think its a good boat but, I would have to sell a yacht if it is going to cost much more than 100K all up. Which is OK still. But with that in mind I would not get a 46" 1999 prod boat for 150K. Which will end up costing around 230K all up (taxes new rig etc) when its possible to get a deal like that here already. Used Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 45.2 for Sale | Yachthub.

The arbitrage on the 393 is MUCH better. Say I got it for 70K on a 80K asking price. It would cost me about 95 all up with an AU asking price here of around 200K, might get 150-175K for it. So a definite potential to come out on top there.

[dennisail]

Is a Beneteau-Cyclades a candidate for the trip I have planned? All I can find is it has a STIX of 36 and AVS of 121 deg. I know it is of lower spec than an Oceanis, but for around the same money (95K) you get a 4 foot larger boat and if engine hours are anything to go by this has had a LOT less use than the Oceanis's. (1600h vs 7000!!)

2005 Beneteau Cyclades Sail New and Used Boats for Sale - au.yachtworld.com

There are 4 for sale here 3 are between 250-280K!! But then there is one that is only 180K yet it appears no different to the others?

Used Beneteau Cyclades 43 boats for sale, used Beneteau Cyclades 43 trailer boats for sale - boatsales.com.au

[savoir]

Originally Posted by dennisail

Don't get me wrong. I think its a good boat but, I would have to sell a yacht if it is going to cost much more than 100K all up. Which is OK still. But with that in mind I would not get a 46" 1999 prod boat for 150K. Which will end up costing around 230K all up (taxes new rig etc) when its possible to get a deal like that here already. Used Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 45.2 for Sale | Yachthub.

The arbitrage on the 393 is MUCH better. Say I got it for 70K on a 80K asking price. It would cost me about 95 all up with an AU asking price here of around 200K, might get 150-175K for it. So a definite potential to come out on top there.

Sigh !



Ever heard of Noel Kerrigan ?

[dennisail]

No. Are you going to leave me guessing?

[savoir]

He offered wise words to boat buyers.

[dennisail]

I fail to recognize your point.

This 2005 Bavaria 42 for $120K looks decent and asking price is $230K here.

http://au.yachtworld.com/core/listin...url=&imc=pg-fs

Here is an up spec 2007 ex boat show Bav 39 for $113K.

http://au.yachtworld.com/core/listin...url=&imc=pg-fs

I really think I am coming to my senses now and am honing in on late model prod boats. Just because I know they are fairly new and less likely to have serious age related probs. Its unlikely I will purchase any of these boats since I will only buy if and when I am ready which will be in Feb 2012. Just using them as examples.

[hoppy]

I'm wondering if savior meant Darryl Kerrigan from "the Castle" and the quote "tell him he's dreamin"

[dennisail]

haha.

Darryl Kerrigan: how much is he askin ?? Steve kerrigan: 450 . Darryl Kerrigan: 'jousting sticks' tell him he is dreamin. Steve kerrigan: yeah

[savoir]

Screwed up that one didn't I ? Oh well.

I used to know a Noel Kerrigan, crossed wires yadayada, what can I say ?

Quit the funny stuff ? Good idea.

[Boracay]

All the ex charter boats should have a CE rating. I couldn't find one for the Cyclades on the Beneteau website when I looked but the broker should be able to supply it.

You may be able to get an indication of the CE here.

If you compare the CE rating for the Cyclades with the Oceanis then that may answer your question.

I seem to recall that the Moorings ex charter Cyclades' and Oceanis' had similar asking prices, with the Oceanis having a better pedigree.

The Cyclades looks to be a bigger boat for the same LOA.

[dennisail]

Thanks mate. From what I can tell the Cyclades was more designed for charter. With the oceanis also being aimed at private use too. So the oceanis is better equipped and has a nicer finish. But that makes it more expensive, so for the same price you get a bigger Cyclades. IMO cruising comfort is probably more dependent on size than the amount of timber trimmings?

Does anyone have an explanation for these ratings? As the boats get bigger the ratings get higher. I assume the higher the rating the better. From those brochures (2007) it appears the Oceanis does not have a higher rating. But since you can get a larger Cyclades for a similar price you get a boat with a higher rating.

Oceanis 40 A8/A9/A10
Cyclades39 A8/A9/A10
Cyclades 43 A10/B11/C11

However if you read this article it says. http://www.jordanyachts.com/archives/2967

The Cyclades 43 is absolutely not a bluewater boat. Other Beneteaus such as the Oceanis series are rated for offshore work. The Cyclades series is not. It is a great coastline sailor.

[dennisail]

I think found what the ratings mean. The number is just the amount of people allowed on the boat when sailing (A) ocean, (B) offshore, (C) inshore. I knew what the A B C meant, just not the numbers. So the STIX and AVS would be more telling than these figures. BTW I had typos in the last post, it should read A B C, not A A A in the comparison. So despite what that article says the cyclades has an ocean rating.

OCEANIS 393 STIX 43 (cant find AVS, it is left out of any list I have seen, I wonder it there is a reason for this)

OCEANIS 411 STIX 37 AVS 114

CYC 43 STIX 36 AVS 121 deg

Looks like it has less STIX than a 393, pretty much the same as a 411 but 7deg better AVS.

[Surfer Girl]

I'm not going to try and explain the ratings but don't be put off by a boat designed 'for charter'. I would say the hulls of all Beneteaus (any many name production boats) are built to the same standard. Designed for charter doesn't make the boat weaker, it just means it'll have 4 double cabins, 3 heads, hot water transom wash, etc, etc - all the 'nice' comforts that charterers expect but that are not necessary for extended cruising (although still nice to have ). And if you think about it, charter areas (Med, Caribbean, Whitsundays, etc) all cop strong wind and wave conditions that require a well found vessel. I wouldn't let 'designed for charter' put you off.

The ex charter boat that I bought was built like a brick shithouse (category A- Ocean) - very thick monocoque glass hull, oversize rigging, good quality spars, etc. but it's layout was designed for charter.

Look at the end of the day, thousands of Beneteaus, Jenneaus, Bavarias, etc have crossed oceans safely. If we all had a million to spare, we could buy serious quality ocean going vessels like Halberg Rassy or Buizen, but really safe sailing (including crossing oceans) is more up to the skipper than the boat.

[dennisail]

Here is a story to why the stix is a lot higher for the 393 compared to other similar boats. Not vouching for its accuracy or saying it is a major cause for concern just putting it out there.

Beneteau Oceanis 393 STIX - Yachting and Boating World Forums

Accident investigation.

http://www.maib.gov.uk/cms_resources...an%20Madam.pdf