Crew Available: Crewing as a female. Sketchy vs. Otherwise

[Albinvega27]

[QUOTE=Wotname;3311399]Costs money to process and put someone into custody.

European Govt do not care about money. They care about human rights and there is no right, you are detained because of an infraction of another person. Sometimes, it takes a bit more than only the proper imagination, to argue with international authorities.

Example: During CoVid Lockdown, a Swedish sailor entered in the morning into the Marina of Povoa de Varzim in Portugal. The President from the Marina itself came - after arguing 3 guys with the Swedish Sailor - and released his lines and sent him away. I saw the whole thing going from my boat and suddenly, the boat of the Swedish guy jumped in the water, he had hit a rock. Nevertheless, the guys from the Marina sent him out and I went to the President of the Marina and asked him if crazy, the guy just hit a rock and ran aground. No argument was enough, so the took even the inflatable and escorted him out. In the same time I called to Porto, the Commander from the northern Navy unit from Portugal and explained him what happened and asked him, what about the international sea right of a Captain, to self declare if his boat and Crew were fit. The navy called inmediately the President from the Marina and ordered them to take him in, take the boat out of the water and inspect. The cost of the operation ran by the Marina, because they made the mistake, to command him out of "safe port". We sailor often do ignore the complexity of Law, but to know a little bit about is good enough for safe traveling.
But I know American sailor feel entitled to carry guns in Mexico, because of the American right to carry weapon. but in Mexico, this is jail and so, respect and know the Law from the country you are going to, not coming from...

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Albinvega27

I expect we'll soon hear reports of visa issues for travel between the UK and EU once COVID-19 border closures are behind us. Wishful thinking?

Watch at Noonsite, the first requirements are already up.[/QUOTE]

It’s simply what was there if you returned from The Channel Islands in the past, ie you phone the national yacht line , irrespective of the nationality of the crew. This service is going online at the moment.

I wonder what happens when a uk boat simply sails outside its 12 mile limit

In reality I suspect much will be ignored as it was in the past

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Albinvega27

............... what about the international sea right of a Captain, to self declare if his boat and Crew were fit. The navy called inmediately the President from the Marina and ordered them to take him in, take the boat out of the water and inspect. . ..........

Really, I have never heard this before - of course that doesn't make it untrue.

Is this really correct? I pretty sure Australian authorities would not take the Captain's word - at least not from a recreational sailor.

[Auspicious]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Really, I have never heard this before - of course that doesn't make it untrue.

Is this really correct? I pretty sure Australian authorities would not take the Captain's word - at least not from a recreational sailor.

Recreational sailors often confuse tradition with rights or laws. UNCLOS defined free passage is an example. https://www.maritime-executive.com/f...nocent-Passage

I suspect Albinvega27 is so confused. Consider most recently the commercial cruise ships that could not get dockage while overwhelmed by COVID. Consider also the cases of boats not allowed to leave New Zealand or Singapore unless they met national safety regulations.

To my knowledge there is no right or law that enables a captain/owner/master to self declare fitness or lack thereof that overrules local authorities.

That isn't to say that judgement of authorities is always consistent. In the cited example I suspect that the naval officer told the marina official something like "don't be stupid - we'll just have to go save them." That is far from a legal citation.

[Albinvega27]

Originally Posted by Wotname

Really, I have never heard this before - of course that doesn't make it untrue.

Is this really correct? I pretty sure Australian authorities would not take the Captain's word - at least not from a recreational sailor.

In international Law it is no authority allowed to send you back into sea, if you or your boat are not fit. If you don´t know this basic seamanship rule? Whhatever authority can send you in containment area, called "quaranteen". That is why we fly the yellow flag. It is meant "I am arriving and I may be separated from the overall Port area. And in times like the pandemic, this is precisly what people ignored and the result I have seen on shoreline of Villa do Conde (1 sailboat stranded on the rocks), because the sailor thought he has to sail through from canary Islands till Sweden. His voyage ended in Villa do Conde, on the rocks. Another Swedish guy as told already, we recovered him by informing the Navy. And yes you say, I wouldn´t take it either from a recreational sailor. Although, authorities at sea presume, recreational sailors are fit. I have learned different. They mostly don´t know sh...t, specially when it comes to cruising. And I regret that...

[Albinvega27]

I suspect Albinvega27 is so confused.


You are entitled to that presumption. I do not argue in a Internet Forum with someone who´s background I ignore. On the Internet, we all are space Captains!

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by Albinvega27

In international Law it is no authority allowed to send you back into sea, if you or your boat are not fit.

International law is a bit of an ambiguous term - there are agreements such as UNCLOS, to which many but not all countries are signatories, and then there are customary rights and obligations - a "seafarers code" if you will. The line between what is "customary" and what is "legal" is blurry at best. There really is no "right" as you see it for the captain to unilaterally declare he must stay in a country's territory. This article touches on this: https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/...V63N5_1465.pdf

[Latecomer]

Originally Posted by Shawna

Hi everyone!!
Haven't been on the site in a while. I have had a few crewing experiences and hope to keep them going. I've had to pass a couple up because of not feeling comfortable with the amount of information available that could be used to track me down in an emergency situation.
I've been told to give your family ashore the registration number and name of the vessel as well as the boat owners name, and any other info available.
My question to all in the know is:
Is it a red flag if they don't want to give your family their boats registration number?
I had a boat owner tell me someone could take a loan out against his boat and screw up his credit, but to my understanding, proof of ownership would be needed for that. Should I try to convince him of this or just quietly take my leave? Most had no problem surrendering their number. I haven't yet taken a trip with someone who refuses. Is there any legitimacy to this boat owners claim? Your input is greatly appreciated!!

Run or better yet, take your leave..to hell! I say run away forum that situation like the world is on fire!

[scfoster]

Originally Posted by Shawna

Hi everyone!!
Is there any legitimacy to this boat owners claim? Your input is greatly appreciated!!

That may well be, but the owner is also asking that you trust them. So, if they don't trust you, why reciprocate?

[jackmccann2]

I am impressed by the courtesy and restraint shown by posters here concerning the posts by Sailing Sue. I am sure the OP was not aware of the vitriol she would engender on the part of Sailing Sue.

Simple question: "if I am ill at ease with something a skipper says or refuses to say, should I trust my gut feelings?" Wiser respondents encouraged the OP to trust her instincts. That is never bad advice. End of discussion.

Sailing Sue, perhaps you need to put away your hostility (no matter how reasonable your arguments may seem to you) and just go sailing. Negativity rarely serves any useful purpose. Besides it makes you look bad, probably not something you intended and something which also rarely serves any useful purpose.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Auspicious

In my experience, crews are treated as an entity until cleared. If someone were to have a significant issue such as a past deportation I expect without having experienced it they would be treated individual. My understand the captain/owner is still responsible for that person's repatriation.



One issue that does trip up new cruisers is the visa waiver program (VWP https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...r-program.html). The problem arises from "prior to boarding a U.S. bound air or sea carrier." Again, it comes to repatriation for which commercial carriers accept responsibility. That does not apply to private boats or aircraft. I have seen EU citizens fly from Bermuda to the US or take a ferry from BVI to USVI because of a missing visa, leaving the boat to catch up.



I expect we'll soon hear reports of visa issues for travel between the UK and EU once COVID-19 border closures are behind us. Wishful thinking?

There are already visa issues between eu and U.K.

[jtsailjt]

Originally Posted by jackmccann2

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Simple question: "if I am ill at ease with something a skipper says or refuses to say, should I trust my gut feelings?" Wiser respondents encouraged the OP to trust her instincts. That is never bad advice. End of discussion.

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If you’re ill at ease or disagree with something a skipper is doing then you should bring it to his/her attention and discuss it, but if the skipper insists and even if you’re still ill at ease you must either go along with his plan or mutiny. You can trust your gut feelings all you want but sometimes you must do the opposite thing, at least until the next port when you can get off. That’s why it’s important to make sure you have a certain comfort level with your skipper before going offshore aboard his/her boat.

[Scotty Kiwi]

Originally Posted by jtsailjt

If you’re ill at ease or disagree with something a skipper is doing then you should bring it to his/her attention and discuss it, but if the skipper insists and even if you’re still ill at ease you must either go along with his plan or mutiny. You can trust your gut feelings all you want but sometimes you must do the opposite thing, at least until the next port when you can get off. That’s why it’s important to make sure you have a certain comfort level with your skipper before going offshore aboard his/her boat.

Inexperienced crew are often ill-at-ease, and question skipper's decisions.
I've had them begging to be allowed to swim to a rock, or allowed to be dropped on some Island - they just want off the boat. At that stage, I remind them that before we set out I did say they would, sometimes over the next few weeks, think they are about to die ... and that this is just one of those moments.

On the other hand, I've known one or two skippers that are hedgehogs staggering about on the motorway of life. You watch them and are constantly amazed how they've survived so long while remaining unconscious of the trucks roaring past them. How do they survive? Your instincts should tell you: if you follow one of those hedgehogs the odds are against you. Haha

[wolfgal]

Shawna,

my advice is this:

early on in the exchange, tell the skipper you will, under no circumstances, be his bunk mate.

there are those wonderful skippers out there who do not get excited by the presence of a female sailing companion and/or by the intimacy that naturally flows within a symbiotic sail. but, unfortunately, some just cannot manage remaining a gent.

you get on the boat thinking i'll be great. you get off the boat feeling violated. it happens. do take care.

so, why tell the skipper outright?

once you state this, you'll see: some will drop you like a hot potato (yups! and be ready for a bout of anger), some will try to control themselves while underway and may even visibly suffer (these are good men, by the way )...., some will wait until the very end of the sail... hoping, hoping, hoping like a drooling wolf.

another thing: if that person is on CF (do ask this question!!!), read his posts. there is much insight into each and every one of us here in the CF pages. and there are many, many fine folk on CF with whom i'd more comfortably accept to crew.... and few that i'd avoid meeting at all.

good luck, girl. and stay safe.



As a final thought, and directed to Sailing SUE who thinks nothing happens to girls on boats, i do forgive you for being so full to the brim with total and absolute ignorance: you are a guy and cannot know. however, i do not appreciate how you've smeared this entire thread with it.



wolfie

[jtsailjt]

I am under no illusion that bad things happen to some women on boats or that there are bad guys out there who try to take advantage. But if I were taking on crew and a prospective crew person announced to me that we wouldn’t be bunkmates I think I’d find that to be so presumptive and conceited that I’d burst out laughing.

I have a good friend who is gay and I plan to crew on his boat and vice versa. I have no idea whether he finds me attractive and would never presume that he would make any unwanted advances towards me because he knows I’m straight and of course don’t ever flirt with him. We’re just good friends. I’m sure he’d be terribly insulted snd hurt if, out of the blue, I announced to him that we wouldn’t be bunk mates even though we both know that’s true. I guess it’s a little different crewing with people you haven’t got to know first but I’d hate to be in a position where I felt had to make that announcement before I got to know someone because it’s tantamount to accusing them of being some kind of horny Neanderthal before they’ve given any indication of being that way. So, after I finished laughing at the absurdity of someone saying that to me I think I’d encourage her to find another boat/skipper that she felt secure enough with so she didn’t need to warn them off even before they’d expressed any untoward interest in her.