Global Warming Opens Up Antarctic Waterways

[Tensen]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Well I was guestimating on numbers, but you need to read up the principles of poly-phase power generation, transmission and distribution.

Do I really? For saying that you don't give wind enough credit? I think not.

It can be done, but the renewable resource needs to be reliable to a certain degree and in many parts of the world it is not, with the exception of geothermal.

And hydro.
And wave.
Even without providing base load, solar and wind alone are capable of cutting HUGE swathes in CO2 output from electricity generation.

The ocean cannot hold as much CO2 in saturation as it warms and this causes it to emit more then it sequestrates if global temperatures rise with the opposite happening if it's cooling. This is a main component of the theory on what leads to the "800 year lag" observed in many ice core records.

I'm already well aware of this apparently randomly chosen, weakly related fact...

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Tensen

Do I really? For saying that you don't give wind enough credit? I think not.



And hydro.
And wave.
Even without providing base load, solar and wind alone are capable of cutting HUGE swathes in CO2 output from electricity generation.



I'm already well aware of this apparently randomly chosen, weakly related fact...

Ok, fair enough. Produce the actual numbers for Australia.

Edit, on this "weak" fact. You're aware that the ocean covers 70% of the Earth's surface and has an average depth of around 3000 metres, right? Doesn't sound too weak to me, in fact I'd almost class it as another atmosphere but I'm not an expert.

[Tensen]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I'll rely on my references to actual data for my opinion, not assumptions thanks. If you bother to look at the actual data you will see, for example that the 2007 floods were the result of a catastrophic cyclone.

And the cyclone was the result of the weather, which was the result of the climate....

And you drive a........?

A pair of feet. Are you disputing my assertion?

[Tensen]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Ok, fair enough. Produce the actual numbers for Australia.

You'll have to be a lot more specific.

Edit, on this "weak" fact. You're aware that the ocean covers 70% of the Earth's surface and has an average depth of around 3000 metres, right? Doesn't sound too weak to me, but I'm not an expert.

Please read more carefully. "...weakly related..."

I LIKE this fact. Pretty much everyone but deniers do, so I'm surprised to see you mention it. I fail to see what it has to do with my post though.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Tensen

You'll have to be a lot more specific.

We have base, intermediate and peak load power generators in Australia.
how much of the above is wind and solar in all categories?

Please read more carefully. "...weakly related..."

You wrote that:

No it couldn't. Natural emission are irrelevant - the planet naturally sinks as much as it sources. It's the extra we add on top that can't be handled at this temperature that causes the problem.

Unless excess CO2 oozing out of the oceans is man made, I'm putting the house on it being natural.

[Tensen]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

We have base, intermediate and peak load power generators in Australia.
how much of the above is wind and solar in all categories?

It's what it should be that's of interest.

Unless excess CO2 oozing out of the oceans is man made, I'm putting the house on it being natural.

And I'll say again: the planet handles natural levels of CO2 without massive spikes in temperature like we're seeing now.
It's the man-made CO2 on top that's the problem.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Tensen

It's what it should be that's of interest.

And I'll say again: the planet handles natural levels of CO2 without massive spikes in temperature like we're seeing now.
It's the man-made CO2 on top that's the problem.

But that's not what you said at all. And we might be seeing "massive spikes" (to avoid another Rustic incident, I'll interpret that as "steep increase" instead) in CO2, but it's still very much up in the air about temperature in relation to the theory of CO2 greenhouse.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Tensen

It's what it should be that's of interest.

Your'e arguing with someone that agrees with you. I'm questioning the net effect on climate change. This kind of data seems to be thin on the ground, to me at least.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

We have base, intermediate and peak load power generators in Australia.
how much of the above is wind and solar in all categories?

Talk about timing. The government is working on an agreement for 32 000 gigawatt hours of renewable generation according to tonight's news report.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

That's all very lovely, and something I support except, perhaps, for wind generators cutting down swathes of our feathered friends, but that's another story. Unfortunately it's still a drop in the bucket and, for many countries, an impractical solution as their base load requirement cannot be met by wind and solar renewable energy alone until some wonderful new low cost high capacity electricity storage device is invented. Geothermal would be great, but not available to all and I'm guessing could be extremely costly and sooner or later the ACC (Anthropogenic Core Cooling) supporters would rise to the fore (joking!)

(nice little hate on windmills there, sport. But misplaced)

Battery game-changer right here. Local storage, as opposed to a grid-based storage solution. Other battery improvements being pursued; as you know storage is the keystone that will make renewables more practical as the prime source.

Now if only all the nations of the world could join hands and just get along then electricity supplied entirely by renewable sources world wide would well and truly be on the table as a legitimate solution to one component of the problem.

We might get there sooner if people would stop regurgitating all the much-disproven BS about the science, and conspiracy, blah blah blah.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way, as they say.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

(nice little hate on windmills there, sport. But misplaced)

I'll claim at this juncture that more birds have died from wind generators then global warming.

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[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I'll claim at this juncture that more birds have died from wind generators then global warming.

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Domestic cats kill billions of birds each year, let's start there.

[Seasiq]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I'll claim at this juncture that more birds have died from wind generators then global warming.

Aha! You've nailed it. The fewer birds flapping wings = less cooling from wings = more heat.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I'll claim at this juncture that more birds have died from wind generators then global warming.

And this is based on... what?

Since you're in a guessing mood, care to guess how many birds are killed annually in oil-spills, pipe leaks, or in the waste-ponds in Canada's own tarsands operations? Less-intense oil extraction would mean less of these. How about bird populations affected by loss of habitat due to a weather pattern shift or rising water?

So I don't get the point of making a claim that you don't have a scrap of evidence on.

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

And this is based on... what?

Since you're in a guessing mood, care to guess how many birds are killed annually in oil-spills, pipe leaks, or in the waste-ponds in Canada's own tarsands operations? Less-intense oil extraction would mean less of these. How about bird populations affected by loss of habitat due to a weather pattern shift or rising water?

So I don't get the point of making a claim that you don't have a scrap of evidence on.

I don't know. That's why I guessed. Why don't you enlighten me with the facts and figures?


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