Northwest Passage

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

have you ever asked about my education level or my reason for stating my opinions

No and my knowledge is in sure as if not more well rounded than yours I just preceded to do something because I could you chose to teach and you know what they say about that.

Have you ever wondered why I do continue to post in derision of your opinions
Aside from the obvious false narrative that has been pushed and controlled the " published science "

Seems quite interesting that most people that are pro MMGW while still employed seem to switch to counteract MMGW once they are retired and their paycheck no longer dependant on their perceived opinions. ?

Being a teacher requires the ability is speak and write in English.

I could you chose to teach and you know what they say about that.

Duh! I am retired.

[newhaul]

Jack I excited my original post due to some things o wrote being a bit out of line I apologize for that if could be perceived as a personal attack .

On you wrt this thread.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Jack I excited my original post due to some things o wrote being a bit out of line I apologize for that if could be perceived as a personal attack .

On you wrt this thread.

I did not perceive your post as a personal attack on me.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Have you ever wondered why I do continue to post in derision of [JackDale's] opinions

Yes. But everybody needs a hobby, freedom of speech, and all that. You do you.

Seems quite interesting that most people that are pro MMGW while still employed seem to switch to counteract MMGW once they are retired and their paycheck no longer dependant on their perceived opinions. ?

Where do you get this stuff??

I have encountered ZERO people who have behaved like that. Retired people are generally just slower, more opinionated versions of their pre-retirement selves.

And I don't know anyone (outside of solar panel sales-people) whose opinion on MMGW has ever resulted in a paycheck. Dr Spencer, maybe?

[AllenRbrts]

Originally Posted by newhaul

really the rest other than co2 is transparent to to ir ? Really me thinks you really need to rethink that statement.

Here is the ir chart for the most common gasses in the atmosphere . Btw the strongest is water vapor. ( something that can't be attributed in any way to man therefore can't be taxed.)
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...ansmission.png

Funny it looks like 60% or more of the effect of co2 is overshadowed by the effects of water vapor.

Water vapor is not considered a well mixed gas so it usually not included in the atmosphere gas percentages. I was replying to your .04% which didn't include water vapor. Yes, water vapor is indeed more potent greenhouse gas than co2, however its concentration changes with temperature. As the planet warms you get more water vapor, so it magnifies CO2 warming. https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe...r_warming.html

Please give the basis of the chart you posted. Here is a comparison of measured vs computed IR emission at the top of atmosphere. The computed is shifted for comparison. It is from Atmospheric Radiation. Theoretical Basis. R. M. Goody and Y. L. YUNG. Second edition. Oxford University Press, New York, 1989. The absorbed energy from CO2 is very clear. This is measured data.

Did we put the c14 discussion to a conclusion? The facts are that there is very little c14 in the atmosphere from cosmic rays.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by newhaul

have you ever asked about my reason for stating my opinions

No- I have not asked that. Do tell.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

I have encountered ZERO people who have behaved like that. Retired people are generally just slower, more opinionated versions of their pre-retirement selves.

Should I take that personally

I retired 16 years ago.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Should I take that personally

I retired 16 years ago.

You musta been extra quick and intelligent in your working life.

[Exile]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Also study up on the difference between poorly-mixed, condensing GHGs (H2O) and well-mixed, non-condensing GHGs (CO2).

You have a lot of homework while I am overshore for the next while.

I'd try and give Newhaul a hand on this one but I apparently spent too much time during high school chemistry class in the Ass't Principal's office. Besides, I just got home and already L-E is making me re-read the Spencer interview. Something about my botching some numbers on CO2. I only hope he hasn't finally found something he can be right about or we may be stuck with him for awhile. [sarcasm]

Happy sailing.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Exile

I'd try and give Newhaul a hand on this one but I apparently spent too much time during high school chemistry class in the Ass't Principal's office. Besides, I just got home and already L-E is making me re-read the Spencer interview. Something about my botching some numbers on CO2. I only hope he hasn't finally found something he can be right about or we may be stuck with him for awhile. [sarcasm]

Happy sailing.

wait till they figure out just how much so2 has been injected into the stratosphere from silica rich volcanoes in the last 2 months. And continuing .

Its the bubble chamber showing up again ..

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Exile

Besides, I just got home and already L-E is making me re-read the Spencer interview. Something about my botching some numbers on CO2. I only hope he hasn't finally found something he can be right about or we may be stuck with him for awhile. [sarcasm]

...Finally?? [mock exasperation]

It wasn't numbers, it was words. Pesky things.

Too much fun outside, so I won't persist. And nothing's changed anyway, has it?

Go sailing, guys. Enjoy yourselves.

Originally Posted by newhaul

Its the bubble chamber showing up again ..

That's truly rich.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

...Finally?? [mock exasperation]

It wasn't numbers, it was words. Pesky things.

Too much fun outside, so I won't persist. And nothing's changed anyway, has it?

Go sailing, guys. Enjoy yourselves.





That's truly rich.

do you even recall what that is refering to ???

Really ought to quote the whole relevant post.


Here is the part you deleted .

wait till they figure out just how much so2 has been injected into the stratosphere from silica rich volcanoes in the last 2 months. And continuing

[newhaul]

Here ya go just to refresh everyone's memory
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...966?via%3Dihub

I told you a long time ago and now look what's happening
Oulu Cosmic Ray Station

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Exile

This may be a helpful primer (literally) from a fairly recent interview with Roy Spencer, a leading skeptic. Should you opt to read it you may find it as surprising as I did that many of his views are consistent with Jack's, and many others at odds with Newhaul's. That alone might make you curious, even though his bottom line is that the impact of man's introduction of fossil fuels into the atmosphere is likely inconsequential.
https://www.masterresource.org/clima...limate-change/

Did you even try to research to see if there is any science to back up what he's saying? Couldn't find a single link to any published work in there. Nothing.

A few moments search .

1) Are Global Temperatures Rising Now? There is no way to know,

Rubbish.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...iablilty&btnG=

2) Why Do Some Scientists Say It’s Cooling, while Others Say the Warming is Even Accelerating? .....But if we look at a shorter, more recent period of time, say since the record warm year of 1998, one could say that it has cooled in the last 10-12 years.

Textbook blatant cherry pick of an el nino year.

Rest of his views are similarly unreliable.
If you buy into that without even spend just a little time researching some science to back it up it says a lot about your bias.

This popped up in big think today, very relevant - who else holds these views - virtually no climate scientists.Then add in no links to published work to back up his claims. Doesn't that ring a few alarm bells?

Obviously not.

https://youtu.be/bJ5qUx1WOsg?t=69

[Exile]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

...Finally?? [mock exasperation]

It wasn't numbers, it was words. Pesky things.

Too much fun outside, so I won't persist. And nothing's changed anyway, has it?

Go sailing, guys. Enjoy yourselves.

No, no. This CO2 % issue has actually come up before (quite awhile back) and so it's worth a re-read and some sorting out as needed. Besides, I have a vague recollection it's one of those rare factual issues that there's agreement on. What it means?? Well, probably no shortage of argument there (in case you were getting worried ).

But yeah, it's a summer weekend so much fun to be had. Then again, this morning's paper said it was 'Be Nice to Newhaul Week' coming up, so you still have time.