Advice on purchasing bluewater - see criterion

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Wow, can they be had for $35K now in good shape? If so that's encouraging! That would be a great find!

Unlikely. They only made 39 of the 422 and the only one I've ever seen sell for less than $75-$80k (note that is selling price, not the listed price) was one that had been sunk or otherwise filled with water and had a trashed interior.

By the way, I found the original invoice from Pearson in the papers when I bought my 422 and new it sold for $75k

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Clem, it may be presumptuous for me to disagree with a glossy sailing mag, but one can reduce such costs in many ways. First, it is totally unnecessary to haul or relaunch the boat to renew rigging. Second, it is totally unnecessary to remove the mast to renew the rigging. And third, it is totally unnecessary to hire a rigger to do the work.

True, it is a bunch of work for the DIY owner, it requires several trips up the mast, and it requires the ability to read a tape measure accurately. Or, simply removing the wires one at a time and taking them to your nearby West Marine or industrial rigging shop or at last resort, a local yacht rigger. They can, in short order, reproduce the bit of rigging and then you replace it and move on to the next bit. Or you can do as I have done and use mechanical terminals (Sta Lok or equivalent) and just make up the new stay on the dock yourself. These terminals are a bit dearer than swaged-on ones, but you do it yourself, saving trips to the shop for each wire... and they are re-usable. And for that matter, are more reliable than swages!

It's still gonna cost a bunch, but not as much as indicated in your source, and it's good experience to have under your belt.

Jim

Cost me just at $3,000 to buy all the rigging for my 42' cutter. That included all new wires, swaged one end of each wire and a StaLok for the other and new turnbuckles and toggles, basically everything except the chainplates which I did for $400 more.

[boatman61]

Personally I would buy in the Caribbean and do any upgrades/refits in St Martin the cheapest marine shops in the Caribe, duty free.
Now I know folk will be queuing up to slam this, the old Hunter Haters but.. for what you want to do to my mind she ticks all the boxes..
Price, two aft cabins, solar and wind, fridge and more.
They are there if your prepared to travel to buy and with the Covid panic, bargains are to be had in the islands.
What you are planning/dreaming is relatively easy sailing and French Passports will save you loads in the Pacific which is largely French.
Sail her to Oz and sell her there when you have had enough.. You'll get your money back plus a bit.
https://www.harelyachts.com/boats-fo...artin-7288861/
$1500/month is very doable.
Or theres this..
https://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...o=littleships&

[AiniA]

Originally Posted by Clemroc

I read on CruisingWorld the following:
"For an average 40-foot boat, Cockerill estimates about $100 per foot to re-rig with wire rigging ($4,000), as well as the round-trip cost to haul and launch the boat and unstep and step the rig (an additional $2,500 or so)."

I'd much rather put that money into something else (watermaker, perhaps), so I will definitely prioritize used boats with a sound hull&keel, and good quality rigging.

As for the sails, I read on ImproveSailing:
"Sails on mid-sized boats (34') will generally cost between $3,000-$5,000. Prices can greatly vary depending on boat length, sail material, quality of fabric, and so on. Cost increases relative to sail area and hull length."

Also, as Jim pointed out, I can make due with old sails (as long as the stitching doesn't come undone lol) - after all, it's a cruise not a race!

With most boats you don't need to take the mast down to replace the rigging. Find a spot in the Caribbean where there is a rigger and take one piece of wire down at a time. Take it in to the rigger and get it redone, put it up and take the next one down. Negotiate with the rigger to get a good price for work done when they are not busy.

Go to the Australian version of Yachtworld to get the advanced search function which has disappeared from the American version.

If you get away from the two cabin idea your choices will be dramatically greater at your budget. You will sleep in the salon on passages. You could do fine with the V-berth and a quarter berth. Maybe trade spots every three months.

You can do it on your budget. In our travels we met quite a few younger cruisers on boats from 27 to 31 feet. Here is one of the luxury size in that range with lots of new bits including a newish engine for US$34k
dhttps://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...un-31-3655891/

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Unlikely. They only made 39 of the 422 and the only one I've ever seen sell for less than $75-$80k (note that is selling price, not the listed price) was one that had been sunk or otherwise filled with water and had a trashed interior.

By the way, I found the original invoice from Pearson in the papers when I bought my 422 and new it sold for $75k

Yeah, I am not sure of the shock in my voice really came through the text!

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Personally I would buy in the Caribbean and do any upgrades/refits in St Martin the cheapest marine shops in the Caribe, duty free.
Now I know folk will be queuing up to slam this, the old Hunter Haters but.. for what you want to do to my mind she ticks all the boxes..
Price, two aft cabins, solar and wind, fridge and more.
They are there if your prepared to travel to buy and with the Covid panic, bargains are to be had in the islands.
What you are planning/dreaming is relatively easy sailing and French Passports will save you loads in the Pacific which is largely French.
Sail her to Oz and sell her there when you have had enough.. You'll get your money back plus a bit.
https://www.harelyachts.com/boats-fo...artin-7288861/
$1500/month is very doable.
Or theres this..
https://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...o=littleships&

Good to see you back Boatman!

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Yeah, I am not sure of the shock in my voice really came through the text!

Yes I did kind of infer you were exhibiting some level disbelief.

[Clemroc]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Yeah, I am not sure of the shock in my voice really came through the text!

75,000 USD in 1987 (last year Pearson 422 was built) is the equivalent of approximately 175,000 USD today, taking into account inflation, purchasing power and value of the USD.

Still, for a sailboat that old to still have such a great value, it must have been an amazing and well-designed/built ship!!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Don C L

Good to see you back Boatman!

Cheers Don..

[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Clemroc

75,000 USD in 1987 (last year Pearson 422 was built) is the equivalent of approximately 175,000 USD today, taking into account inflation, purchasing power and value of the USD.

Still, for a sailboat that old to still have such a great value, it must have been an amazing and well-designed/built ship!!

And of course in addition to inflation there's 35 years worth of upgrades, repairs and more.

[dmalcol1]

80000 Canadian = 54000 us
Corbin 39.org

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/bel...7791?undefined

[hpeer]

The OP might be well advised to browse through this thread.

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...37#post3138437

Most recent post excepted.

[G8rEd]

I had a 1993 38' Catalina Morgan center cockpit that fits this perfectly. Great boat. Sold it for $55K two years ago. Should be right in your price range. Stick with shoal draft.

Originally Posted by Clemroc

Hello forums,

A friend and I are looking to buy a (used) bluewater sailboat. We intend to sail it through the Caribbean, and then through the Pacific Ocean.

Here are some of our criterion:
- 2 cabins + salon (so we can each have our own bedding)
- 5ft (1.5m) draft to have nice anchoring close to islands
- preference for skeghung rudder
- preference for ketch-rig, but not a dealbreak
- preference for centre cockpit, but not a dealbreaker

Budget is $50,000 USD for purchase and any repairs/extras.

Thanks in advance, looking forward to your feedback!

Clemroc

[Charles S]

Join and read here:
https://www.morganscloud.com/

[SkipperJer]

There is a Pearson 40 for sale here: https://boatrescuer.com/
They are asking $12k obo. Needs some work, of course. Centerboard. Needs mast step work. Boat is located in Maryland.