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MichaelC · 04-07-2011, 09:12

I would suggest that round sterned boats are not really 'double ended'. The round stern is nothing more than a small transom that has been given a curve. It necessitates an ugly set of lines to account for that roundness, which will slow the boat down significantly. Those aft lines should come out of the water in a pretty straight shot, no matter the boat has a transom or a sternpost. Look to the Tancook Whaler lines. Yes, it definitely reduces interior space, and that is the reason for the rounded 'bustle' stern so common in the misnamed double enders. IMHO, of course. [though, on these threads, does the 'H' ever really exist?]

svcambria · 04-07-2011, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Keegan

Are double-end'er monohull designs the sexiest sailboat designs?

This is actually a photo of my last boat, Mandolin, a Robert Perry Panda 40.

What? Is this a rhetorical question? Of course they are...

Michael
S/V Cambria Panda 40

virginia boy · 04-07-2011, 09:23

I vote YES! All doublenders are beautiful but one boat in particular stands head and shoulders above the rest. Need I say it? Well, ok it's the Westsail 28 ;-)

**minaret** · 04-07-2011, 09:48

I'd never heard anyone describe a boat as "sexy" until I acquired my first double-ender, a custom Bingham designed Anastasia 36. Then I heard "sexy" all the time. Something about those rounded buttocks...

SV.Maverick · 04-07-2011, 09:59

Yes they are! I have never owned one but before I bought my currant boat I looked at a Hans Christian 38. From the outside I could not take my eyes off of her,,,but from the inside. They rep these boats get for being slow dogs under sail scared me, but I could sit and look at one all day long.

**sarafina** · 04-07-2011, 10:02

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Originally Posted by minaret

I'd never heard anyone describe a boat as "sexy" until I acquired my first double-ender, a custom Bingham designed Anastasia 36. Then I heard "sexy" all the time. Something about those rounded buttocks...

Heh.. That's what Himself is always saying... how come I 'm not convinced he is always talking about the BOAT!?

tropicalescape · 04-07-2011, 10:04

I have a command yatchts Douglas 32 with a reverse transome, Ted Brewers frist design after starting his own frim and the first owner was John S. Connolly,the gentilman I bought it from said that John always said'"she sure has a sexy ass"I must agree ,with the reverse transome and the springy sheerline and low free board it strikes a cord with me...I too like the look of a double ender as there is a CT at the marina that I really like.Just my thoughts DVC

MarkJ · 04-07-2011, 10:27

I note no one has photos of the butt end of their boat while sailing.

So the 'sexy' look is only in the eyes of another holder.....

Unless one self indulgently trails a mirror.

**minaret** · 04-07-2011, 10:39

From Bob Griffith's book "Blue Water"-

"In my opinion, a boat designed to sail the ocean should have a pointed stern. Boats with transom sterns provide more space below and more stern buoyancy than double-ended boats of the same length, but a transom stern is fundamentally the result of a longer hull that has had it's tapered stern cut off. The transomed hull has less space and floatation than if it had lines to please the forces of nature rather than the boat buyers bank book. Awahnee is a 53 foot boat. Give or take a bit, a transomed 48 foot boat is a 53 foot boat that has been chopped off.
All displacement sailboats are double-ended below the waterline. In light air a boat does not immerse the transom(unless she is overloaded). But a boat heeling 25 to 30 degrees or more in a seaway will suck water behind a dragging transom with a great loss of spped, control, and, ultimately, safety. Boats with especially wide transoms and rudders far astern can heel so sharply that all helm is lost, with the rudder rotated up near the surface. This is especially true of boats with relatively narrow bows. Such a combination of features explains many a spinnaker knockdown.
I consider a pointed stern the natural conclusion of a hull shape, allowing water to flow past with little turbulence on any course or condition of sea. A canoe stern, in addition, protects the rudder and provides reserve buoyancy. When paired with a bow of good proportion and easy entry, a canoe stern increases effective waterline length when heeled, resulting in greater hull speed. Sailing with her rail down Awahnees waterline length is 50 ft., rather than 43 feet when she is moored."

I really like Bob's writing and have the utmost respect for most of his ideas. He makes the point that if a hull must be double-ended below the waterline to reduce turbulence, then why wouldn't the same be true above the waterline? And for those who think double-enders are by nature slow, know that Awahnee held many speed records for many years, inluding 88 days around the world and several trans atlantic records, one of which stood for many years. The shape of a rounded stern does not mean buttock lines must cross LWL at an angle that is above the desired 15 degrees. Just cuz there are a bunch of Hans and the like with very rounded buttocks doesn't mean they are all like that. Bob did 8 circumnavigations in this boat, I'm listening to what he has to say about it.

zeehag · 04-07-2011, 10:48

i think the rounded/double ender kind of boats are very lovely, but my preference as to looking sexy is the garden design formosa/ct/hardin 41-51. clipper bow,heart shaped stern.... perfection ......but then i am a tad prejudiced.....had these in my mind since kidhood...mebbe longer..... these gardens instill passion..

Target9000 · 04-07-2011, 10:51

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Originally Posted by MarkJ

I note no one has photos of the butt end of their boat while sailing.

So the 'sexy' look is only in the eyes of another holder.....

Unless one self indulgently trails a mirror.

Oh come on Mark... A mirror?

I guess you wouldn't know this since you don't have a double ender but there is a little known secret amongst the brotherhood of SSDEs. (Super Sexy Double Enders). You know we just hop in the dink and trail behind the boat for hours at a time so we can stare.

tropicalescape · 04-07-2011, 10:52

Zee Hag you instill Passion like your commits ...most of them anyway. DVC

zeehag · 04-07-2011, 10:56

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Originally Posted by tropicalescape

Zee Hag you instill Passion like your commits ...most of them anyway. DVC

(blushing)

hhmmmm--izzat good or bad..... hhmmmmmmm....

MarkJ · 04-07-2011, 11:08

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Originally Posted by minaret

From Bob Griffith's book "Blue Water"-

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The book was written in 1979. The world has moved on. Design has moved forward.
No one drives a car designed in 1979 thinks its as efficient as a modern designed car. Ships are the same. Look at a 1979 designed tanker and look at now.
Why should just yachts break this theme of increasing technology?

If you like the look of the boats, fine. But to use an old reference to say they are the best just doesn't stand up to the light of day.