Are Island Packets Really That Slow?

[Wilyum]

Originally Posted by Frankly

My favorite is the IP35. Beautiful lines (for a cruiser) and reasonable sail performance. My 32 keel/ centerboard is the best of all, but a somewhat rare breed. Not as pretty as the 35 but sails better.

Frankly

This IP35 just listed shows a price of $16k for a chainplate replacement by Mack sails, is this the going rate for that job? Seems high.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...et-35-8237136/

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by Wilyum

This IP35 just listed shows a price of $16k for a chainplate replacement by Mack sails, is this the going rate for that job? Seems high.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/199...et-35-8237136/

It’s at least a two man job and it’s mostly labor. The chainplates and bolts themselves shouldn’t be more then $600, if that. The mast and rigging has to be re-trimmed and tensioned for warranty. That means a sea trial too and another reset.

[Frankly]

Couple of years back Garhauer quoted me $1,300 for a complete replacement set of chainplates (316L SS annealed polished and pre bent, to my angle measurements). They are the supplier to IP and have the original drawings.

Labor rates around 8 to 10K were typical most of what I was hearing.

Use original standing rigging.

Chainplates Express was cheaper but required the originals for copying.

I will be doing my own with the stick in.

In the original Mack Sails video on a 38 the repair person installed the fiberglass strands on top of the welded angle (normally right under the deck structure). After several of us pointed out the error they changed the video. Often wondered if that lady got a redo. That is a "head up your a##" mistake for such a claimed professional outfit. Wonder what they thought the cross bar was for.

IMO the annealing after welding is important/ critical.


YMMV
Frankly

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by Frankly

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IMO the annealing after welding is important/ critical.


YMMV
Frankly

Exactly! Cracks form right next to welds. On Aluminum the metal shrinks up to 2%. In the old daze I use to build some angle aluminum towers 24” tall. After welding they would shrink around 1/2”.

[MicHughV]

Define "slow" ????

All sailboats are slow.....some a bit more than others..

It doesn't matter if you are doing 5 knots or 6 knots or even 7....it's all slow.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make much difference.

On the other hand, speed and comfort are another thing.

Sure, you can slam to windward, rail down, taking spray all the way back to the cockpit...and be doing 7 knots....
Or....
You can crack off a bit, open a beer, enjoy the day...at a steady 6 knots...

If speed is really your goal, a sailboat is not right for you....there are powerboats for that.

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

Define "slow" ????

All sailboats are slow.....some a bit more than others..

It doesn't matter if you are doing 5 knots or 6 knots or even 7....it's all slow.

In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make much difference.

On the other hand, speed and comfort are another thing.

Sure, you can slam to windward, rail down, taking spray all the way back to the cockpit...and be doing 7 knots....
Or....
You can crack off a bit, open a beer, enjoy the day...at a steady 6 knots...

If speed is really your goal, a sailboat is not right for you....there are powerboats for that.

And how much fuel can you buy for the price of the sails and rigging? Not to mention the room below.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

Define "slow" ????



All sailboats are slow.....some a bit more than others..



It doesn't matter if you are doing 5 knots or 6 knots or even 7....it's all slow.



In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't make much difference.



On the other hand, speed and comfort are another thing.



Sure, you can slam to windward, rail down, taking spray all the way back to the cockpit...and be doing 7 knots....

Or....

You can crack off a bit, open a beer, enjoy the day...at a steady 6 knots...



If speed is really your goal, a sailboat is not right for you....there are powerboats for that.

Well- in breeze I agree- differences are smaller. Where the problem becomes bigger is in light air where faster boats can sail and make miles and slower boats need to motor

Having had a full keel boat prior, which was somewhat fast for its type (Luders 33)- there is no comparison with the easier, more comfortable, and faster miles I can cover with my current fast cruiser- even when correcting for longer LOA
I like IPs for the Caribbean or trade winds destinations. Well built
But in my home waters off Chesapeake it’s amazing there are so many IPs. I can get to hull speed in 8-10 knots, and make distance in 5 knots of breeze- and the IPs are all motoring in most of that

[Mreloc]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Well- in breeze I agree- differences are smaller. Where the problem becomes bigger is in light air where faster boats can sail and make miles and slower boats need to motor

Having had a full keel boat prior, which was somewhat fast for its type (Luders 33)- there is no comparison with the easier, more comfortable, and faster miles I can cover with my current fast cruiser- even when correcting for longer LOA
I like IPs for the Caribbean or trade winds destinations. Well built
But in my home waters off Chesapeake it’s amazing there are so many IPs. I can get to hull speed in 8-10 knots, and make distance in 5 knots of breeze- and the IPs are all motoring in most of that

IP claims to have corrected the light air performance (or lack thereof) with their "new generation" with solent rig with Asymmetrical or 170 Reacher
/https://ipy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/349-Packet.pdf I've not test sailed one yet but the few reviews I've seen confirm this.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by Mreloc

IP claims to have corrected the light air performance (or lack thereof) with their "new generation" with solent rig with Asymmetrical or 170 Reacher

http:///https://ipy.com/wp-content/u...349-Packet.pdf I've not test sailed one yet but the few reviews I've seen confirm this.

Yep I sailed right past one with my usual 135 #2 set along with full main in light air exiting the Chester River into Chesapeake. But yes at least it was sailing, otherwise no contest. Yes my boat is longer though LWL is similar. A more powerful rig certainly can make a difference