Bluewater Boat

[capnorv]

Gosh, I must live in a sailing news vaccuum up here in the Salish Sea (which incorporates 1/2 of BC. I haven't heard of a rash of deadhead sinking boats in my neck of the Sea. I did hit a BIG rock with a fin keeled plastic boat and bounced around for what seemed like forever, my fault. But that fin keeled Newport came through with just a dent in heer lead that I refaired. Didn't know I was within seconds of total catastrophy. I believe there are sound boats of all mediums, and also poor ones. Just my opinion, enjoy the hockey Bob.

[hoppy]

I've heard a rumour that some steel ships sink when hitting things at sea

[bob perry]

I felt a bit embarrassed about that post all night. I had a wee nip and along with some good news on a couple of projects I was feeling my arrogant old self again after three months of dealing with Costovertibral syndrome *(not fun). So if I offended anyone I appologize.

[Liam Wald]

No need to feel embarrased. What you say is all truth. Especially the part about "put down the magazines and go sailing"!
You are right on.
With much respect, Liam.

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by bob perry

You guys need a dose of reality here.

Some of you guys do not have clue.
GRP can be very strong. I'ts just a matter of how much GRP you have.
Kind of like how thick your steel or alu plating is.
Stop generallizing.

I have over 6,000 boats to my design on the water, mostly grp, I have never heard of one being holed by a floating container. Georfe day, editor of water sailing">BLUE WATER SAILING says there are more Tayana 37's world cruising than any other boat. Thanks George.

Time to put the magazines down and go sailing.

Go ahead and attack me but be sure to provide reliable and solid documention.

I live in the Land of Logs. Big logs. I have a front yard full of them.
I worked my ass off today on three new design projects.

I'm ready for a good fight.
Or, maybe a good hockey game on TV.

Thanks, Bob. Always nice to have one's observations and POV validated by an expert!

[Bash]

Originally Posted by bob perry

I felt a bit embarrassed about that post all night.

Same fellow set you off last night as last time. Perhaps it's his dogmatic approach to marine architecture?

[Brent Swain]

Originally Posted by silverp40

Steel boats also sink when loosing their anchors and getting washed ashore. Here is one example:

Tansania Wolfgang Clemens.

Also, remember Moitessier's Joshua in the Baja a few years ago? Very similar fate unfortunately...

The boat looks like it was abandoned, with little hull damage.
Joshua is still sailing . The 40 ft plastic boat which landed on her was demolished in minutes, with little left of her. The same would have happened to Joshua, had she been plastic.

[Brent Swain]

Originally Posted by hoppy

I've heard a rumour that some steel ships sink when hitting things at sea

Any small ocean cruising steel yacht could hit that iceberg at hull speed with zero damage. One of my 26 footers t-boned an iceberg in the NW passage at hull speed, with zero damage to the boat.

[silverp40]

Originally Posted by Brent Swain

The boat looks like it was abandoned, with little hull damage.
Joshua is still sailing . The 40 ft plastic boat which landed on her was demolished in minutes, with little left of her. The same would have happened to Joshua, had she been plastic.

Bernard M did not have enough money to salvage her as she partially sank. It took a long time for someone to come up with the money to pull her off. Few really useful things were left except the hull...

Wolfgang spend 25 years building and cruising all over the world in King of Bavaria so it seems odd that he should just abandon her!

The shackle broke on the anchor on a sparsely populated island...

This is the translated page:

www.sy-bavaria.de/historie.htm - Translator


Boats sink not just because of hull damage - there are rudders, prop shafts, thru hulls and other things that when damaged sink any boat.

[wolfenzee]

Originally Posted by capnorv

The good boat is the one that's keeping me out of the water right now, whenever right now is. I would never be unfaithfull to my wife, or the mistress who is keeping me sheltered from the sea, however adequately. What was the original direction of this thread again?

I always thought a good boat kept you out ON the water...

The original direction "... which ocean going monohull boats can be obtained in a moderate budget of 37k-50k USD. length 31-36ft. looks are not an issue..." if quickly became a debate as to what makes up a "blue water boat" and why/why not the regular production boat "racer/cruisers" can/can not be used as such. It later deviated into a discussion on structural engineering, building methods etc...
Putting the same question to experienced sailors around the port here I have ended up with basically the same answer. The best answer I came across was "You can go to sea in anything..it just matters which is bigger, your balls or your brains". This comes from the owner of a Catalina 30, he admits that "It is rougher in a nasty sea and takes a bit more work in a nasty sea than a 3/4 - full keel boat, but my wife and I need the room"
Being an experienced blue water sailor he has had to make several upgrades and modification to make the boat not only a comfortable live aboard but safer at sea.

[Brent Swain]

Someone took over the Joshua in a matter of days and pulled her off , then re rigged her and headed north.

[capnorv]

Yes Wolfensee, you are right about the saying, it was a play on words. There's nothing I despise more than being out in a boat that's filling up with water, it's just too much work! I've never sunk one, don't plan to, but sometimes it's hard to keep the water where it belong. And I'm sure you know our waters aren't the most enjoyable to be in. Fair winds and following seas.

[bangkaboat]

I came across this, today. Although I am not suggesting that it is a bluewater boat, I thought that it does give a clear perspective on fibreglass boats hitting logs, etc. .

"Review Gulf 29
No. 1.......... Author: Laurence Brown
My boat had been bulletproof. I have been across the Columbia River bar and up the coast to the San Juans and down to Olympia several times. I have grounded (Columbia River!!) and hit logs (several times, ouch!)without any major damage. (This is not recommended!)"

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Brent Swain

Someone took over the Joshua in a matter of days and pulled her off , then re rigged her and headed north.

aw Jeez Brent, give it up, its like a broken record. Anyway Joshua was so rough that you couldnt tell whether it was wrecked or not, most of the time.

Listen to Uncle Bob.

Dave

[bob perry]

Youy should see the bay in front of my house right now. You could almost walk to the opposite shore on the logs there. And some of them are a big as houses.

I know logs.