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EarlWer · 04-12-2020, 12:10

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Originally Posted by SVTatia

Its an Allied Luders 33 - excellent cruising boat - I have one of them.

Thanks for the update. It was hard to tell from the pictures.
Looks like there is also a useful web site: https://www.luders33.com/

It's located in a Marina just south of Montreal.
I'll probably drive there this weekend, to see what the interior looks like and if there are any other problems that I can see.

5' draft is more than I'd like... esp. if I want to sail in the Bahamas.
Single-handed sailing?

Anything special I should be concerned about?

I'll keep you posted. Thanks again

SVTatia · 04-12-2020, 12:20

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

Thanks for the update. It was hard to tell from the pictures.
Looks like there is also a useful web site: https://www.luders33.com/

It's located in a Marina just south of Montreal.
I'll probably drive there this weekend, to see what the interior looks like and if there are any other problems that I can see.

5' draft is more than I'd like... esp. if I want to sail in the Bahamas.
Single-handed sailing?

Anything special I should be concerned about?

I'll keep you posted. Thanks again

PM sent.

Hesti · 04-12-2020, 13:08

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

A L'Eau seems nice, but I can't place the model. Alberg 37' ?

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/alberg-37

EarlWer · 07-12-2020, 16:24

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Originally Posted by SVTatia

PM sent.

The marina offered $2,950 CDN.
I told him the price should be $0, and the trailer was worth more than the boat.

It's on a trailer which looks home-built. It's a single-axle 5 lug wheel. Probably taken from a truck. I'm surprised the trailer can hold the weight.

They removed the motor, there are no sails and the interior is probably very moldy.

Sad to see, but I'm not going to spend $10,000+ to rebuild it.

It's only noteworthy because it's a known model (Allied Luders 33) but their neglect has turned it into scrap.

Marina Rose Des Vents
À L'EAU - 50D101272

SVTatia · 07-12-2020, 18:06

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

The marina offered $2,950 CDN.
I told him the price should be $0, and the trailer was worth more than the boat.

It's on a trailer which looks home-built. It's a single-axle 5 lug wheel. Probably taken from a truck. I'm surprised the trailer can hold the weight.

They removed the motor, there are no sails and the interior is probably very moldy.

Sad to see, but I'm not going to spend $10,000+ to rebuild it.

It's only noteworthy because it's a known model (Allied Luders 33) but their neglect has turned it into scrap.

Marina Rose Des Vents
À L'EAU - 50D101272

Indeed sad to see. That kind of refit + sails, rigging and engine would be a few times the $10K. The marina would do better if they paid that amount to someone take it way.

Iduna · 09-12-2020, 13:25

https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/b...218675326.html

EarlWer · 24-12-2020, 11:17

O'Day 25 only $1,700 CDN
kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/cornwall-on/oday-25-sailboat-swing-keel-sailboat/1542327951

No engine.

I was looking for something bigger and more comfortable, but this seems very cheap.

I would sail the Great Lakes and ultimately take it south to Florida.
This one has the centerboard.

It's close (1 hr away) and would probably be OK for a first cruiser...

Any comments on the model and possible issues?

Comments? Thanks

hamburking · 24-12-2020, 12:09

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

O'Day 25 only $1,700 CDN
kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/cornwall-on/oday-25-sailboat-swing-keel-sailboat/1542327951

No engine.

I was looking for something bigger and more comfortable, but this seems very cheap.

I would sail the Great Lakes and ultimately take it south to Florida.
This one has the centerboard.

It's close (1 hr away) and would probably be OK for a first cruiser...

Any comments on the model and possible issues?

Comments? Thanks

In general the Oday 25 is a good boat, and a nice size if you are sailing alone, or as a couple. But its all about condition. There's a good chance this boat is in good condition, but to know for sure you'll need a visit (with a knowledgeable friend).

Common things to check:
- Soft decks, especially around the mast, chainplates, bow, cockpit...okay, everywhere.
- Look for water damage or rot on the bulkhead where the chainplates are attached.
- The outboard mount should be SOLID. If its wobbly, its troubly.

If you intend to spend time in the nearby 1000 islands, this is a good choice. The swing keel will get you in places, anchorages, and docks other boats can't go. At Main Duck Island, you can pull right up on the beach at Schoolhouse Bay.

This is potentially a great deal. But personally, I would prefer a C&C25. Its a better built boat, stiffer, faster, with some outstanding features for not much more money. But I'm biased; I had a C&C25 for many years and many adventures.

You may find the Oday a bit tippy, due to the size and the swing keel, which might be a problem for you at the dock, especially if (like me) you are big.

No engine is a plus. You get to choose the outboard. I'd go with a Honda 5 hp longshaft.

I'm in Kingston, not far. If not for the pandemic, I would offer to go view with you.

And finally, keep in mind that your cost of ownership will greatly exceed the purchase price in the very first year. Summer dockage, insurance, launch, outboard, new lines and fenders, and whatever else....maybe $5000.

EarlWer · 24-12-2020, 12:36

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Originally Posted by hamburking

In general the Oday 25 is a good boat, and a nice size if you are sailing alone, or as a couple. But its all about condition. There's a good chance this boat is in good condition, but to know for sure you'll need a visit (with a knowledgeable friend).

Common things to check:
- Soft decks, especially around the mast, chainplates, bow, cockpit...okay, everywhere.
- Look for water damage or rot on the bulkhead where the chainplates are attached.
- The outboard mount should be SOLID. If its wobbly, its troubly.

If you intend to spend time in the nearby 1000 islands, this is a good choice. The swing keel will get you in places, anchorages, and docks other boats can't go. At Main Duck Island, you can pull right up on the beach at Schoolhouse Bay.

This is potentially a great deal. But personally, I would prefer a C&C25. Its a better built boat, stiffer, faster, with some outstanding features for not much more money. But I'm biased; I had a C&C25 for many years and many adventures.

You may find the Oday a bit tippy, due to the size and the swing keel, which might be a problem for you at the dock, especially if (like me) you are big.

No engine is a plus. You get to choose the outboard. I'd go with a Honda 5 hp longshaft.

I'm in Kingston, not far. If not for the pandemic, I would offer to go view with you.

And finally, keep in mind that your cost of ownership will greatly exceed the purchase price in the very first year. Summer dockage, insurance, launch, outboard, new lines and fenders, and whatever else....maybe $5000.

Thanks for the info. I spoke to the current owner and he mentioned some leaking, so I'll need to see if the infiltration has caused more expensive problems. He will be back in Cornwall in a few weeks.

I don't mind doing _some_ work...

Yes, the C&C is probably nicer and there is a Bristol 27 in Belleville for $6,500. That's closer to my ideal blue-water pocket cruiser...
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/bel...-27/1534265822

Due to COVID, I am limited to boats in Ontario & Quebec. I have not seen very many for under $10,000 (my current top range).

I'm 5'9" so headroom should not be a problem.

At $1,700 + $5,000 it's still far below what I was expecting to spend...
.. and give me extra $ for solar panels, autopilot, etc...
...but it's also somewhat smaller than what I would like.

I expect to single-hand most of the time. My wife does not share my enthusiasm ;-)

We could visit the boat on alternate days ;-)

thanks again

hamburking · 24-12-2020, 17:07

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

Yes, the C&C is probably nicer and there is a Bristol 27 in Belleville for $6,500. That's closer to my ideal blue-water pocket cruiser...
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/bel...-27/1534265822

That Bristol 27 looks great! That is a solid, go anywhere boat. The ODay is a lightweight trailer sailor. I would prefer the Bristol any day of the week, especially if you are serious about heading south.

I share your purchasing restrictions and desire. I've been looking for my next boat for almost 2 years now. Wishing I had not sold my last boat, a respectable Pearson 30, well equipped. I'm hoping to find something 30 to 35 feet, to enjoy on Lake Ontario with the hope of going south sometime soon. I've actually found several excellent boats, but they sold too quickly for me to get a chance...big demand because of covid. Hopefully it will return to a buyers market soon, so we can both get out on the water this summer.

For the impending Ontario lockdown, I expect all marinas to be closed entirely...no entry at all. That's how it was last spring, and it was impossible (almost) to view boats for sale.

EarlWer · 25-12-2020, 11:01

FYI: The Bristol 27 is for sale by the marina owner. I spoke to him briefly a month ago. I don't think there would be a problem getting a better look.

I also went to see an Allied Luders 33 which was for sale as a 'project' boat. It was at a marina just north of Lake Champlain, and there was no problem seeing it. The marina caretaker met me at the appointed time and I was able to get an exterior look at a bunch of boats they had... Unfortunately, the Luders 33 was a basket case.
Want a BIG project? ;-)

Selabi · 27-12-2020, 22:37

Wow she is nice , great thread , seems you will be saving money ,
Thanks

Rob_P · 29-12-2020, 08:41

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Originally Posted by EarlWer

Want a BIG project? ;-)

Talking about wanting a "big project", I saw this:

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/74216

She was sunk in a hurricane. Floating now but the hull needs repaired and the entire interior, and all systems, need replaced. Put it on the hard, strip it down to the bare hull inside, media blast the interior of the hull, paint every surface with bilge paint (with a mildewcide additive in it) and start rebuilding. New wires, new components, new cabinetry, new engine, new, new, new...

$25k is a pipe dream of a price, it's basically a free boat. But, if you want a "big project", it's do-able and there she floats. (BTW, there's a couple of videos of "rebuilding a former Whitbread" on boobtube that shows it can be done. At 80 feet, that project was even "bigger" than this one would be.)

CaptWho · 30-12-2020, 18:03

1976 Morgan Outisland 51' - $4,000 (Callaway Fl.)

Project boat - There's no indication of what the overall condition of the boat is. It looks like it's been sitting there for a while. Apparently it has great tackle since it looks like it's been through at least one big storm. This could be a screaming deal (or not) for someone.

https://panamacity.craigslist.org/bo...254770845.html