Composting head vs classic head

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Montanan

https://ecology.wa.gov/Water-Shoreli...discharge-zone

Puget's Sound is now a no-discharge zone for vessel sewage
We have established a Vessel Sewage No Discharge Zone (NDZ) for Puget Sound and certain adjoining waters. The NDZ is a body of water where boats may not release sewage, whether treated or not. The NDZ will help protect public health, water quality, and sensitive resources.

The Vessel Sewage No Discharge Zone (Chapter 173-228 WAC) was adopted on April 9, 2018, after a five year public process and approval from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The rule is effective as of May 10, 2018. However, certain commercial vessels have a five year delay before the rule begins. There is no change for graywater discharges.

Protecting sensitive resources safeguards public health and the economy
Even small amounts of sewage discharges over or near shellfish beds can cause enough pollution to require harvest closures. Puget Sound is a unique and sensitive environment that is prone to poor water quality conditions. A no discharge zone addresses this source of preventable pollution from impacting shellfish beds, beaches, and water quality.

The Vessel Sewage NDZ fills a missing piece in the state’s Puget Sound Action Agenda and is part of other larger investments in sewage treatment: on-site septic systems, stormwater management, and agricultural runoff control. The Puget Sound Partnership has identified a NDZ as a key action for the Shellfish Restoration initiative in the Action Agenda. Although this is the first NDZ in Washington, more than 90 NDZs exist in 26 states to address pollution problems.

Map of the no discharge zone
The Vessel Sewage No Discharge Zone includes all Washington marine waters east of New Dungeness Light, at the east end of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, plus Lake Washington, Lake Union, and the waters that connect them to Puget Sound

contrary to popular belief that is on hold pending court action that is ongoing.

[Mike OReilly]

Like I said, I think we should take Rod at his word. He finds composters too difficult for him to manage. They're definitely not for everyone, but most people who do use them seem to manage just fine, without all the apparent problems he enunciates.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by smj

Yet you have zero personal experience, only rely on your biased views and you want us to think of you as a valid “expert”? Laughable!
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question who is the poster with the most responses in this thread ?

I don't remember how to look up thread statistics.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

Too funny!

I obviously struck a nerve, providing valid information the "Effluent Separating Toilet" fans don't care to be posted, so they are now resorting to personal attacks and name calling.



...a poster includes a number of articles of legislation that indicates that only a porta potti or type III MSD is acceptable in Canadian NDZs (No Discharge Zones) and that they must



aka, marina pump out station.

In the USA, before the EPA (federal) will issue a "No Discharge Zone Declaration" as requested by the state, the state must prove that there are sufficient pump-out stations to support the waste removal needs of the local boating population. If the state does not already demand that boats used in the area be equipped for shore side pump-out station use, it is only a matter of time. (Before the marinas and operators who have invested in and maintain the pump out equipment, demand that regulations be enforced requiring they be used.)

I cry B.S. to the statement highlighted below, if Victoria Canada is an example of Canadian Clean Water Policy. Canada is FINALLY GETTING AROUND TO CONSTRUCTING A SEWAGE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT TO SERVICE THE VICTORIA REGION. UNTIL IT IS UP AND OPERATIONAL ALL OF THE CANADIAN SEWAGE IS EMITTED RAW INTO THE SALISH SEA.

So someone else has declared that Canada's laws are backwards regarding marine sanitation, but in fact they are leading the world, as we hold the largest source of freshwater anywhere, the envy of many other nations and intend to keep them safe; meanwhile the USA is desperately attempting to catch up, and continuously declaring more and more NDZs, in an attempt to recover polluted shellfish harvesting areas, and assure a safe drinking water supply.

And lastly, the notion that urine is sterile and safe to dump overboard. Only while it is in the body IF the body is healthy, may urine be sterile. The instant it is released, it picks up bacteria, which can grow at an alarming rate in a plastic jug stored at around 25C (75F).

So that's just bacteria. It can also contain all kinds of other harmful chemicals from medications and what not consumed by the host. While shore side municipal waste treatment plants may or may not be well equipped to remove these chemicals before they hit the water supply, at least there is a chance.

But most importantly, as some in this thread have attempted to use to their advantage, urine contains nutrients that can cause rampant abnormal growth of aquatic plants and algae, that can harmful to eco-systems and human health.

In conclusion...

Despite what a few "Effluent Separating Toilet Fans" may claim...

No, it is not safe or wise to dump pee or poop overboard, in fact, it is completely illegal in No Discharge Zones, but is declared permissible outside inland and territorial waters.


Good luck everyone!

Victoria, British Columbia will soon start treating its sewage before discharging it into waters the U.S. and Canada share.

Washington lawmakers and environmental groups for decades have urged Victoria to clean up their act. It is the last major coastal community in North America to discharge raw sewage from its shoreline, according to the CRD, their regional government.


Currently, when hundreds of thousands of Canadians flush their toilets CRD screens out anything larger than six millimeters to remove paper, plastics, and other debris.

The rest, human waste, is pumped into waters that touch the San Juan Islands, the Olympic Peninsula, and Puget Sound.

But that's about to change.

When it's finished next year, a sprawling project at the entrance to Victoria Harbor will be a state-of-the-art wastewater treatment plant, which will filter out particles you can only see with a microscope.

An extra level of treatment will scrub out microplastics and other contaminants before wastewater is discharged offshore, CRD said.

Project managers said it will not only meet Canadian standards, it'll exceed them.

RELATED: Clean water activists concerned about sewage discharge

“This wastewater treatment plant is an example of doing the right thing,” said Colin Plant, CRD chair.

But for a long time, many people felt Victoria wasn't doing the right thing; that they just didn't care about the environment or didn't want to spend the money on upgrading their waste systems.

Washington lawmakers have been complaining about the sewage issue for decades. Some even called for travel boycotts.

“We hope that residents who were maybe staying away because of the sewage treatment issue will come back and give us another chance,” Plant said.

But what took so long?

Plant said they couldn't find a treatment plant site that everyone could agree on and there wasn't wide enough support among elected leaders.

They kept putting it off until the Canadian government approved stricter wastewater standards and set a 2020 deadline for cities to comply.


Washington’s griping may have helped, Plant said.

“I have no doubt that the expressions of concerns that came from the leadership of Washington State and from the residents of Washington State played a factor in the decisions of the provincial and federal governments,” Plant said.

The new wastewater treatment facility, which costs just under $600 million U.S., C$765 million, should start running next summer and should be fully operational by the end of 2020.



However, federal regulations introduced in 2012 mean that the Capital Regional District, which includes Victoria, Saanich, and Esquimalt, B.C., have to have a treatment plant up and running by the end of 2020.

Construction of the facility began in 2017. When it's finished, it will include three levels of treatment. Officials say it will be able to remove contaminants that are particularly concerning like pharmaceuticals.

It will also quell the criticism and protest that has been levelled against the region for decades.


Deputy project director Elizabeth Scott says the most challenging part of the wastewater treatment project is that it requires laying as much as 30 kilometres of pipe, which will run through urban areas.

"We have had a false image of a garden city and underneath, we had all the sewage going into the ocean," said James Skwarok, a Victoria teacher who strolled the coasts and streets dressed as a human turd called Mr. Floatie beginning in 2004.

He got the inspiration for his environmental protest about sewage dumping from a character on the cartoon show South Park.

As the mascot for the group P.O.O.P. (People Opposed to Outfall Pollution), Mr. Floatie raised a stink, becoming a walking, visual representation of a message environmental groups had been delivering for years.

"Our beautiful ocean is not a big magical toilet where everything disappears," Skwarok said. "It was an embarrassment for the tourism industry and for local politicians to have this tall turd walking around."

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by newhaul

contrary to popular belief that is on hold pending court action that is ongoing.

https://ecology.wa.gov/Blog/Posts/De...Discharge-Zone

"The Department of Ecology of the State of Washington will continue to implement the NDZ and protect Puget Sound while the court case proceeds

Since May 10, 2018, a federal “No Discharge Zone” (NDZ) has made it illegal to discharge both treated and untreated sewage from boats and vessels into Puget Sound."

Puget's Sound is an NDZ since May 10, 2018, until a law or regulation states otherwise.

Vessel sewage can contain bacteria and viruses that are harmful to people and the environment. These contaminants are harmful to water quality, beaches, and shellfish beds. Eating shellfish that have been exposed to pollution can make people sick. The presence of one type of bacteria, fecal coliform, has closed shellfish beds throughout Puget Sound.

While this is Washington’s first NDZ, there are more than 90 No Discharge Zones in 27 states. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved the Puget Sound NDZ and has continued to approve NDZs across the country, including a new NDZ in Maryland on Dec. 16, 2019. View the full list of EPA-approved NDZs. https://https://www.epa.gov/vessels-...nes-ndzs-state


We are implementing the NDZ and Washington’s boaters are using the more than 100 pumpout stations in Puget Sound. We have seen approximately 700 acres of shellfish beds reopen since implementation, a sign that the NDZ is working to protect and restore Puget Sound.

At the same time, a coalition of marine businesses have challenged the NDZ in federal court. While the U.S. District Court for D.C. has not yet ruled on the case, there are recent developments in the case and we wanted to share the current status of Washington’s NDZ.
Legal matters
In December 2018, the American Waterways Operators (AWO) filed suit in federal court against EPA, challenging EPA's determination that there are adequate pumpout facilities in Puget Sound to support a No Discharge Zone. We intervened in the AWO lawsuit because we support the NDZ and know it is a critical part of helping restore and protect Puget Sound.

The court granted our motion to intervene on March 25, 2019. Washington Environmental Council, Puget Soundkeeper, and Friends of the Earth were also granted intervention.

In late May 2019, EPA filed a motion with the court asking the court to remand the case to EPA, so EPA could evaluate the cost of its adequate pumpout determination. Industry joined EPA’s motion and requested the court vacate EPA’s adequate pumpout determination during the remand. On December 13, 2019, the court ruled against the motions to remand the NDZ decision back to EPA and the case is now proceeding on the merits.

What's next for Washington's NDZ?
We will continue to implement the NDZ as the court case proceeds. We believe EPA correctly determined there are adequate pumpout facilities in Puget Sound to support the Puget Sound NDZ and are confident the court will ultimately rule in Washington’s favor.
a map of washington with the pumpout stations marked with an icon
Visit pumpoutwashington.org to learn more about pumpout stations in Puget Sound.


There are well over 100 recreational and commercial pumpouts on Puget Sound and funding is available through Washington State Parks grants to establish more. Washington boaters are already using these convenient locations to safely dispose of vessel sewage.

We provided an extended compliance timeframe for the rule, so some operators, including tug boats, have until 2023 to fully retrofit all their vessels to hold sewage. Vessel operators have begun investing in retrofits to comply with the rule.


December 19, 2019

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., denied a move by the American Waterways Operators and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to halt the implementation of a No Discharge Zone (NDZ) for Puget Sound in Washington state. A NDZ prohibits ships and boats from discharging raw or partially treated sewage across the 2,300 square miles of marine waters as well as contiguous waters around Lake Washington and Lake Union. Trump administration officials were fighting their own agency’s ruling, having approved a NDZ ruling for Puget Sound just three years earlier.

Through their case, Trump EPA officials had attempted to fundamentally alter the Clean Water Act, attempting to require compliance costs estimates as a focus over restoring water quality and public health. These were based on industry-supplied estimates with no documentation.

“This is a win that should be celebrated far outside Washington state,” said Mindy Roberts Puget Sound Program Director with Washington Environmental Council and Washington Conservation Voters. “The EPA under this administration has tried time and again to undermine our foundational environmental laws from the inside. This ruling stops them in their tracks, not only to protect Puget Sound’s waters but all waters protected by the Clean Water Act.”

Sewage contains bacteria and other pathogens that threaten shellfish beds, animal life, and public health, especially in communities that subsist on local fish. Within No Discharge Zone boundaries, boaters are required to hold sewage on board their vessels for disposal at pump-out facilities or outside the zone’s boundaries. Lobbyists for the tugboat industry attempted to undermine the state-designated rule by appealing to Trump’s EPA. With this ruling, Puget Sound now joins more than 90 other Zones around the country, including in the Great Lakes and the entire California coast. It is the first in Washington state.

“Washington state has a long road to recover Puget Sound, restore salmon runs, and protect our Southern Resident orcas,” said Chris Rilling, Executive Director of Puget Soundkeeper. “But we have to start by not making the problem worse. A No Discharge Zone is a critical common sense solution that we look forward to finally put in place to protect our shared waters.”

“Washington’s waters are far too precious and important to allow the Trump Administration to try to muddy them,” said Verner Wilson, senior oceans campaigner at Friends of the Earth. The court’s ruling should put a stop to this ridiculous lawsuit to help protect Puget Sound.”

“Puget Sound is one of the nation’s environmental and economic crown jewels. The Court made the right decision by not allowing the Trump administration to undermine a key protection for people and the ecosystem,” added Paulo Palugod, staff attorney for Earthjustice in Seattle, WA.


WAC 173-228-050
Effective.
The Puget Sound No Discharge Zone applies to all vessels on the effective date of this rule except for:
(1) Tug boats, commercial fishing vessels, small commercial passenger vessels, and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) research and survey vessels, which have a delayed implementation lasting five years from the effective date for this rule in the Puget Sound No Discharge Zone. The vessels would still be required to comply with existing state and federal discharge regulations in the interim.
(2) Public vessels actively involved in emergency, safety, security, or related contingency operations where it would not be possible to comply with the no discharge zone.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 90.48.030, 90.48.035, 90.48.260, 33 U.S.C. § 1322. WSR 18-09-012 (Order 17-02), § 173-228-050, filed 4/9/18, effective 5/10/18.]

[ramblinrod]

Originally Posted by smj

Do you wear gloves while taking care of your paperwork after your morning movement?

No.

I do not wear gloves.

I wash my hands, properly, before touching anything other than the top of the soap dispenser, and the faucet handle with my other hand.

This to prevent the risk of developing and spreading a potentially debilitating and dangerous gastro-intestinal infection while living in the relatively confined space of a boat, in close proximity with other people I love.

Here is some interesting reading for you.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20351691

Howard Hughes?

No!

Just educated, experienced, realistic, pragmatic, and willing to do the right thing for my benefit and the benefit of others around me.

[tarian]

Originally Posted by newhaul

actually the real truth is those of us that use composting heads don't care what you do as long as you follow the regulations in place in what ever area you travel. Its the anti composers that make a huge ruckus about it . For some composting head use can negatively affect their bottom line.

Fact is that composting of human fecal matter is the primary way of dealing with it on the planet.

224 posts and another thread regarding composting toilets also in the high thread mark , and not many arguing against them , one needs to ask why we need so many fan based stories about them and all the positivity in regards to them , I have never seen a marine toilet thread hit 224 posts with people fanatical about flushing their waste .
There was a reason in Glasgow that we tore down all the tenement flats with outside toilets and dumping waste and went to flushing toilets , to decrease human illness and a cleaner society , as long as we follow the rules for waste dumping us boaters should not worry to much about the impact our waste is causing in the open sea.

[smj]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

No.

I do not wear gloves.

I wash my hands, properly, before touching anything other than the top of the soap dispenser, and the faucet handle with my other hand.

This to prevent the risk of developing and spreading a potentially debilitating and dangerous gastro-intestinal infection while living in the relatively confined space of a boat, in close proximity with other people I love.

Here is some interesting reading for you.



Howard Hughes?

No!

Just educated, experienced, realistic, pragmatic, and willing to do the right thing for my benefit and the benefit of others around me.

Maybe we all need a dog like Harley.

https://www.wect.com/2020/01/23/dog-...cteria-vidant/

[TeddyDiver]

Note to myself "never go sailing to waters around US of A"

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Montanan

https://ecology.wa.gov/Blog/Posts/De...Discharge-Zone

"The Department of Ecology of the State of Washington will continue to implement the NDZ and protect Puget Sound while the court case proceeds

Since May 10, 2018, a federal “No Discharge Zone” (NDZ) has made it illegal to discharge both treated and untreated sewage from boats and vessels into Puget Sound."

Puget's Sound is an NDZ since May 10, 2018, until a law or regulation states otherwise.

Vessel sewage can contain bacteria and viruses that are harmful to people and the environment. These contaminants are harmful to water quality, beaches, and shellfish beds. Eating shellfish that have been exposed to pollution can make people sick. The presence of one type of bacteria, fecal coliform, has closed shellfish beds throughout Puget Sound.

While this is Washington’s first NDZ, there are more than 90 No Discharge Zones in 27 states. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved the Puget Sound NDZ and has continued to approve NDZs across the country, including a new NDZ in Maryland on Dec. 16, 2019. View the full list of EPA-approved NDZs. https://https://www.epa.gov/vessels-...nes-ndzs-state


We are implementing the NDZ and Washington’s boaters are using the more than 100 pumpout stations in Puget Sound. We have seen approximately 700 acres of shellfish beds reopen since implementation, a sign that the NDZ is working to protect and restore Puget Sound.

At the same time, a coalition of marine businesses have challenged the NDZ in federal court. While the U.S. District Court for D.C. has not yet ruled on the case, there are recent developments in the case and we wanted to share the current status of Washington’s NDZ.
Legal matters
In December 2018, the American Waterways Operators (AWO) filed suit in federal court against EPA, challenging EPA's determination that there are adequate pumpout facilities in Puget Sound to support a No Discharge Zone. We intervened in the AWO lawsuit because we support the NDZ and know it is a critical part of helping restore and protect Puget Sound.

The court granted our motion to intervene on March 25, 2019. Washington Environmental Council, Puget Soundkeeper, and Friends of the Earth were also granted intervention.

In late May 2019, EPA filed a motion with the court asking the court to remand the case to EPA, so EPA could evaluate the cost of its adequate pumpout determination. Industry joined EPA’s motion and requested the court vacate EPA’s adequate pumpout determination during the remand. On December 13, 2019, the court ruled against the motions to remand the NDZ decision back to EPA and the case is now proceeding on the merits.

What's next for Washington's NDZ?
We will continue to implement the NDZ as the court case proceeds. We believe EPA correctly determined there are adequate pumpout facilities in Puget Sound to support the Puget Sound NDZ and are confident the court will ultimately rule in Washington’s favor.
a map of washington with the pumpout stations marked with an icon
Visit pumpoutwashington.org to learn more about pumpout stations in Puget Sound.


There are well over 100 recreational and commercial pumpouts on Puget Sound and funding is available through Washington State Parks grants to establish more. Washington boaters are already using these convenient locations to safely dispose of vessel sewage.

We provided an extended compliance timeframe for the rule, so some operators, including tug boats, have until 2023 to fully retrofit all their vessels to hold sewage. Vessel operators have begun investing in retrofits to comply with the rule.


December 19, 2019

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., denied a move by the American Waterways Operators and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to halt the implementation of a No Discharge Zone (NDZ) for Puget Sound in Washington state. A NDZ prohibits ships and boats from discharging raw or partially treated sewage across the 2,300 square miles of marine waters as well as contiguous waters around Lake Washington and Lake Union. Trump administration officials were fighting their own agency’s ruling, having approved a NDZ ruling for Puget Sound just three years earlier.

Through their case, Trump EPA officials had attempted to fundamentally alter the Clean Water Act, attempting to require compliance costs estimates as a focus over restoring water quality and public health. These were based on industry-supplied estimates with no documentation.

“This is a win that should be celebrated far outside Washington state,” said Mindy Roberts Puget Sound Program Director with Washington Environmental Council and Washington Conservation Voters. “The EPA under this administration has tried time and again to undermine our foundational environmental laws from the inside. This ruling stops them in their tracks, not only to protect Puget Sound’s waters but all waters protected by the Clean Water Act.”

Sewage contains bacteria and other pathogens that threaten shellfish beds, animal life, and public health, especially in communities that subsist on local fish. Within No Discharge Zone boundaries, boaters are required to hold sewage on board their vessels for disposal at pump-out facilities or outside the zone’s boundaries. Lobbyists for the tugboat industry attempted to undermine the state-designated rule by appealing to Trump’s EPA. With this ruling, Puget Sound now joins more than 90 other Zones around the country, including in the Great Lakes and the entire California coast. It is the first in Washington state.

“Washington state has a long road to recover Puget Sound, restore salmon runs, and protect our Southern Resident orcas,” said Chris Rilling, Executive Director of Puget Soundkeeper. “But we have to start by not making the problem worse. A No Discharge Zone is a critical common sense solution that we look forward to finally put in place to protect our shared waters.”

“Washington’s waters are far too precious and important to allow the Trump Administration to try to muddy them,” said Verner Wilson, senior oceans campaigner at Friends of the Earth. The court’s ruling should put a stop to this ridiculous lawsuit to help protect Puget Sound.”

“Puget Sound is one of the nation’s environmental and economic crown jewels. The Court made the right decision by not allowing the Trump administration to undermine a key protection for people and the ecosystem,” added Paulo Palugod, staff attorney for Earthjustice in Seattle, WA.


WAC 173-228-050
Effective.
The Puget Sound No Discharge Zone applies to all vessels on the effective date of this rule except for:
(1) Tug boats, commercial fishing vessels, small commercial passenger vessels, and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) research and survey vessels, which have a delayed implementation lasting five years from the effective date for this rule in the Puget Sound No Discharge Zone. The vessels would still be required to comply with existing state and federal discharge regulations in the interim.
(2) Public vessels actively involved in emergency, safety, security, or related contingency operations where it would not be possible to comply with the no discharge zone.
[Statutory Authority: RCW 90.48.030, 90.48.035, 90.48.260, 33 U.S.C. § 1322. WSR 18-09-012 (Order 17-02), § 173-228-050, filed 4/9/18, effective 5/10/18.]

ok so as of December I hadn't seen that newest one .

I find it kind of funny though that they state it being the Trump EPA when this fight has been ongoing for at least 8 years.

Now as to the reason it doesn't apply yet to tugs and any commercial vessels is they are still in court about it .

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by ramblinrod

No.

I do not wear gloves.

I wash my hands, properly, before touching anything other than the top of the soap dispenser, and the faucet handle with my other hand.

This to prevent the risk of developing and spreading a potentially debilitating and dangerous gastro-intestinal infection while living in the relatively confined space of a boat, in close proximity with other people I love.

Here is some interesting reading for you.



Howard Hughes?

No!

Just educated, experienced, realistic, pragmatic, and willing to do the right thing for my benefit and the benefit of others around me.

I prefer just to not pee on my hands.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by tarian

224 posts and another thread regarding composting toilets also in the high thread mark , and not many arguing against them , one needs to ask why we need so many fan based stories about them and all the positivity in regards to them , I have never seen a marine toilet thread hit 224 posts with people fanatical about flushing their waste .
There was a reason in Glasgow that we tore down all the tenement flats with outside toilets and dumping waste and went to flushing toilets , to decrease human illness and a cleaner society , as long as we follow the rules for waste dumping us boaters should not worry to much about the impact our waste is causing in the open sea.

you are likely correct not many against but just a couple vehemently against and prolific posting accordingly .

You used to np be able to look up thread statistics as to percentage of posts on a thread from top to bottom by poster.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Montanan

https://ecology.wa.gov/Blog/Posts/De...Discharge-Zone

"The Department of Ecology of the State of Washington will continue to implement the NDZ and protect Puget Sound while the court case proceeds

Since May 10, 2018, a federal “No Discharge Zone” (NDZ) has made it illegal to discharge both treated and untreated sewage from boats and vessels into Puget Sound."

Puget's Sound is an NDZ since May 10, 2018, until a law or regulation states otherwise.

Vessel sewage can contain bacteria and viruses that are harmful to people and the environment. These contaminants are harmful to water quality, beaches, and shellfish beds. Eating shellfish that have been exposed to pollution can make people sick. The presence of one type of bacteria, fecal coliform, has closed shellfish beds throughout Puget Sound.




We are implementing the NDZ and Washington’s boaters are using the more than 100 pumpout stations in Puget Sound. We have seen approximately 700 acres of shellfish beds reopen since implementation, a sign that the NDZ is working to protect and restore Puget Sound.

]

I wanted to highlight this due to the fact that the beds were closed due to municipal " sewage treatment " plants failing to properly treat the sewage. Or due to " equipment " failure . Or in 2 different cases it was outright human error ( they were to lazy to close an overflow valve . )
where are the fines for that.
Heck they didn't even get reprimanded for it.

[Montanan]

Originally Posted by newhaul

I wanted to highlight this due to the fact that the beds were closed due to municipal " sewage treatment " plants failing to properly treat the sewage. Or due to " equipment " failure . Or in 2 different cases it was outright human error ( they were to lazy to close an overflow valve . )
where are the fines for that.
Heck they didn't even get reprimanded for it.

Failure leads to nature's aquatic filters becoming collectors of hazardous bacteria and of dangerous contaminates, such as heavy metals.[a.k.a. shellfish] and then the closure of harvesting such. The small commercial boats have been given five years from the effective date to have their vessels equipped with holding tanks, jeez not exactly a large challenge to install.

Glad to hear that Victoria which is the primary source of contaminates is finally getting around to treating their sewage. To date they have been like a third world country up there.

As the old expression goes: Having a smoking section in a building or airplane is like having a peeing section in a pool.

Our town of Polson, Montana is competing the upgrade of its sewage treatment system to the newest Federal standards for discharge into the river. For a town of just 4,500 population the construction costs are about US$27 million. The yearly sewage bill per household is being increased by about $600 to $700 to pay for the bond financing the new plant. Ah, but Portland, Oregon is downstream of us so they will become the recipients of cleaner headwaters in the Columbia River basin.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Montanan

Failure leads to nature's aquatic filters becoming collectors of hazardous bacteria and of dangerous contaminates, such as heavy metals.[a.k.a. shellfish] and then the closure of harvesting such. The small commercial boats have been given five years from the effective date to have their vessels equipped with holding tanks, jeez not exactly a large challenge to install.

Glad to hear that Victoria which is the primary source of contaminates is finally getting around to treating their sewage. To date they have been like a third world country up there.

As the old expression goes: Having a smoking section in a building or airplane is like having a peeing section in a pool.

Our town of Polson, Montana is competing the upgrade of its sewage treatment system to the newest Federal standards for discharge into the river. For a town of just 4,500 population the construction costs are about US$27 million. The yearly sewage bill per household is being increased by about $600 to $700 to pay for the bond financing the new plant. Ah, but Portland, Oregon is downstream of us so they will become the recipients of cleaner headwaters in the Columbia River basin.

that's great to hear about your hometown facilities . Hope they get the drinking water upstream. Now if Victoria actually does what they say they will great.
Last Portland is not on the Columbia river it is on the Willamette river so they get the pleasure of dealing with their own states Crap.

Here we get most of our drinking water out of deep wells. And not rivers . .