Favorite Full Keel

[HBWT]

Originally Posted by Benz

Third, canoe sterns have absolutely no seaworthyness advantages over square transoms. People will argue this, but they're wrong.

Do you have any engineering information to backup this claim. By simple fluid dynamics this cannot be true. Or is the seaworthy argument that a square transom floats just like a canoe stern. Well yes, I will concede the point, everything has a trade off when you classify "seaworthiness.". I would gladly take a wide square stern with seas on the forward quarter but following seas, it is no comparison, give me a canoe stern.

[Pauls]

Canoe sterns and double enders have obvious advantages, and some obvious disadvantages. Benz statement is nonsense. Like everything else on sailboats there are design trade offs. There is good reason why virtually all low powered boats which value speed highly are double ended - look at canoes, kayaks, racing sculls. And as you mention, with large and breaking seas on the stern a canoe/double ender is better. Everybody has their own opinions, but hydrodynamics is what it is.

[Pendragon35]

Alberg 35. Long keel, CCA design that can sail an ocean or a bay and give you that god this is fun feeling you had on a sunfish

[Benz]

Originally Posted by Pauls

Canoe sterns and double enders have obvious advantages, and some obvious disadvantages. Benz statement is nonsense. Like everything else on sailboats there are design trade offs. There is good reason why virtually all low powered boats which value speed highly are double ended - look at canoes, kayaks, racing sculls. And as you mention, with large and breaking seas on the stern a canoe/double ender is better. Everybody has their own opinions, but hydrodynamics is what it is.

What you are possibly unaware of is that from the waterline down the best canoe sterns (like the Ingrid) are identical to decent square transom boats. So in light airs (low-power situations), there is no difference in their hydrodynamics. Bring the wind up (higher power) and they're both reefing. It is a myth that canoe sterns ride better in following seas--it's not as if you're trying to go backwards into a sea! If a wave breaks on the stern, who cares? That just helps you along. No doubt waves occasionally break over the stern, but I doubt it's any wetter in a square transom than a canoe, since I've found mine to stay admirably dry.

[double u]

sadly I don't remember the quote verbatim, but some sailing author (30 or 35 years ago) mocked canoe sterns along these lines
"...parting a following sea like the hand of Moses the Red Sea..."

[Don C L]

You don't hear about them much anymore, though there is one in my marina not too far away. Many moons ago Tahiti Ketches were seen as very good "bluewater" boats. I have a good old friend who sailed on one back to Cal from Hawaii. He loved ol' classic boats, and had a very nice wood Herreshoff design himself. But after that trip he said it was just plain too slow, especially because he didn't get along well with the skipper... and it was just the two of them. It may have been the way that skipper had it rigged too though, can't recall. They really are beautiful to see sailing and I'm sure it is a sea-worthy design though, but then it I guess it needs to be since it will be spending twice as much time at sea

[dofthesea]

All kinds of wonderful suggestions a few totally off mark lol. Yes Ive been looking at Alberg's, its too bad that typical they were done so cheap inside. Ive really been digging the Cape Dory's and now there is a sweet Tartan 37 early full keel in my area for sale.

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by dofthesea

All kinds of wonderful suggestions a few totally off mark lol. Yes Ive been looking at Alberg's, its too bad that typical they were done so cheap inside. Ive really been digging the Cape Dory's and now there is a sweet Tartan 37 early full keel in my area for sale.

Early (Hood) or late (S&S)? I am guessing you mean the early one? That would be one of my choices too!

[CaptJamesCook]

Cabo Rico I have heard they a well built

Cabo Rico 38 boats for sale - YachtWorld

[Terra Nova]

Among my favorite full keelers are:

Alajuela 38 (& Atkins Ingrid)
Cape George 36 (& others)
Rafiki 37
Freya 39 (of course)

[Madrugada]

Endurance 35 Ketch built like tank, slow but safe

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[barnakiel]

I like boats based on pilot cutters. From more popular models the BCC seems to be wee but capable. I like its visuals too.

I think Hess designed a number of such hulls.

Never sailed one though.

http://bccphalarope.typepad.com/.a/6...70da335970b-pi

https://imgs.yachthub.com/1/7/3/4/3/1/1_4.jpg

Cheers,
b.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by Terra Nova

Among my favorite full keelers are:

Alajuela 38 (& Atkins Ingrid)
Cape George 36 (& others)
Rafiki 37
Freya 39 (of course)

TN, the first three are certainly "full keel" designs, but I'd always thought the Freya, with the big cutaway in the fore part of the hulll, didn't meet that definition. How do you feel about that? From talking to owners over the years, they mention that the cutaway surely improved slow speed maneuverability.

Jim

[Terra Nova]

The Freya would more correctly be classified as a modified full keel. Far as improved slow speed maneuverability, I'm glad it is modified.

[Mike OReilly]

When we're in close to stuff, or trying to maneuver in a marina, I sure wish our Rafiki had a little less keel. Of course when we're out on the briny, either making way or simply swinging from our hook, I love the full keel.