Into the ice with plastic or 100% ONLY with metal?

[IslandHopper]

Originally Posted by Morgali

Ad says "sale pending"...

This may come as a shock but like you i can read to, I was commenting on the vessel TYPE, not it's status on been sold or not....

[Ibetitsthisway]

I have seen the ad. I guess i have seen All the ads in all the online listings...

Did Not Check on details... But Yes... Thats the Kind of boat i like.
Although... Shrink it by 25%.

I Would kill for knowing exactly what sum Was offered to make them "think"...
I am sure it was way less than 185k.
Who is crazy enough to buy something like That?

[Morgali]

Originally Posted by IslandHopper

This may come as a shock but like you i can read to, I was commenting on the vessel TYPE, not it's status on been sold or not....

And now, for some unnecessary hostility... Calm down bro, I didn't know you saw that part and it read to me like you were saying that was a boat for him to consider.

[KTP]

I don't think the sale is actually pending since the craigslist ad is new.

Does make me think something came out on survey, or someone decided that a 65 foot steel sailboat might be hard to park on Lake Union or something.

[IslandHopper]

Originally Posted by Morgali

And now, for some unnecessary hostility... Calm down bro, I didn't know you saw that part and it read to me like you were saying that was a boat for him to consider.

I'm as calm as mate, you had no effect on my mood at all

i would want to be doing it in something like this

......means just that, not this particular vessel but "something like this", any clearer now

[Rumpi]

Originally Posted by Ibetitsthisway

But there is also the emotional aspect. In my case.. I love ships. I mean ships. Not boats. I like sma and fast or slow and "shippish".
The larger and the more commercial the better.

Thats why i like the fishers That much. I belong to the 1% people who Fall for them.
And steel...long keel... Two masts.. Add to my fantasy of a "Ship"
I Would love to go With a 30m trawler... But... Out of Budget.

I just dont like the Look of reinke That much..and compromizing on Features... To compromize on looks... Just because of money?

... Nonono.... Does Not feel right...

Well... you gonna hate me, but you CAN own what you want IF you make a small compromise. Change steel for wood and buy a KFK.
Right now there is a converted one on the market, just in your budget.
Kriegsfischkutter Sirius steht zum Verkauf - Bootsmaklerei Rabenstein
If you want an unconverted one you can have it for less then cheap: https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-...246932-211-134
This one has the same KFK hullform but was buildt after the war and is not composite but oak on oak. (DDR serie 24m für Sassnitz).

[Ibetitsthisway]

Haha.. Nice boat! I like it. Of cours its way to Big But i like this type of vessel. There are some Nice wooden boats around. And although i know That wood has some great plusses i am afraid of the maintenance. But to be honest i do not understand wood.
Thus.. I better step back.

[Dirk01]

Hi Ralph,
look at https://www.freydis.de
Heide & Erich Wilts: Mit der Feydis von Pol zu Pol.
It's in German language but that shouldn't be a problem to you ;-)

[Ibetitsthisway]

I know the shipyard in Düren. I have been there

This is exactly how boats should be build in my opinion.
Same goes for the boat of www.fortgeblasen.at

Form follows function and function is everything on a boat.

But - the market is always right and thus boats like fredys will be the rare exemption.
The challenge is to find something like fredys within my budget.

[tarian]

Originally Posted by Ibetitsthisway

Absolutely korrekt..
That we always cared a lot about basic protection from the elements.

From direct sunlight
From direct wind
From rain and spray
From cold

Found what your looking for
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...1&d=1573043607

[Rumpi]

Originally Posted by Ibetitsthisway

I know the shipyard in Düren. I have been there

This is exactly how boats should be build in my opinion.
Same goes for the boat of www.fortgeblasen.at

Form follows function and function is everything on a boat.

But - the market is always right and thus boats like fredys will be the rare exemption.
The challenge is to find something like fredys within my budget.

Freydis 3 is a Reinke, as was their previous boat. Not shippy enough, etc.
Fortgeblasen was a 5 year slave labour project.
You would not touch any of them with a 10‘ pole.

If you are not willing to compromise play the lottery. Same chances to win as finding your dream boat ready to go in your budget.

[Ibetitsthisway]

Originally Posted by Rumpi

Freydis 3 is a Reinke, as was their previous boat. Not shippy enough, etc.
Fortgeblasen was a 5 year slave labour project.
You would not touch any of them with a 10‘ pole.

If you are not willing to compromise play the lottery. Same chances to win as finding your dream boat ready to go in your budget.

To be honest - as I did not like the reinkes so far, I never cared to inform myself more indepth about them. If freydis is a reinke - I might be wrong with my earlier reinke statement. I will check that. So far the reinkes which I found for sale did apeal less to me than most of the bruce roberts.

Why would I not touch the "fortgeblasen" boat?
Actually I think it is a very smart boat! The only thing that seams to leave "room for improvement" is the heating system...thats what I can tell from everything I know about la belle - and in this case I did have a very close look on all details available.

[Rumpi]

Yes, freydis is an aluminium reinke 16m modified from twin keel to swing keel. Their previous boat was a reinke hydra. You can find the whole story on their website.

I said you would not touch any of those boats because they were bought as projects and you don't want projects. Freydis 3 was bought as a hulk (unequipped hull) and la belle was not far from a wreck. They are both good boats now, but it took money and work. If you are willing to take on a project then yes, your dreamboat is possible. If you take the la belle way you could maybe even stay in budget (doubtfull). There are enough unfinished yacht hulls out there, just as there are many motor fishing vessels fit for a conversion to sail. They are dirt cheap (and I mean here you pay the metals scrap value and that is for Al, steel is cheaper then scrap) because the hull represents maximum 20-30% of the time and money needed to make a functional boat.

[Winn]

I have the boat you are looking for. It is a steel Hull, one off Cutter based on the Ted Brewer Whitby 42.it meets your parameters. My number is 209-480-9440

[Leighpilot]

Go search Yachtworld. And look at smaller boats. I just did a search for 9-12 meter steel sailing boats under $60k ( leaves you some money for a refit ) and found 10 steel boats.

Bear in mind , you might just be too poor to do this. High latitudes will be expensive, with special equipment needs. I guess you could do it more cheaply but that adds to the danger.

Any 40-50ft steel boat you can find at your budget is likely to blow your budget on repairs and upgrades. Have you done any high latitude sailing ? Maybe try a season up near Finland, Norway to start gaining experience.

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li...dedSelected=-1

Good luck with your project b