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Everestmaritime · 15-08-2013, 15:45

Less than zero. I am no expert but if your offer is $10,000 or less , maybe proceed with the offer and survey. I will try to quantify the needed repairs later, I think that it is tens of thousands to get her in cruising condition. For what its worth, I think that the surveyor that you mentioned is from the same marina as the selling broker, they just might be friends. Find an unbiased person n Wilmington to have a look before you pay for a full survey.

hellosailor · 15-08-2013, 16:24

The gray suff on the deck, the scracks, the mast base...I'm betting there's plenty of rotted wood and metal to be found and plenty of covered up surprises.Still, if you open up a marine technology and repair school, and you get government grant money for the students so they'll pay you to do the work, you could come out OK on it.

gjordan · 15-08-2013, 18:09

Kevin, dont let the internet bully you. Just make sure to not use a surveyor that the broker recommends. I personally would look before I hired a surveyor, but I can understand trying to keep emotions out of it. If you simply threw all the excess crap off of the boat, and that plug ugly dog house, it would greatly improve the boat. If in the end you do buy it, expect to go cross eyed and have nightmares about that wiring. My Peterson had pretty ugly wiring when I bought it (not as bad as this one) but slowly I traced and removed all of the abandoned wires and with a lot of wire ties it became decent. Not beautiful, but workable. Depending on what equipment runs on 110 volt, I would consider tossing what appears to be a generator. You have heard from all of the Doom and Gloomers, and from the cheer leaders, now it might be wise to turn off the internet, and go and make practical decisions.____Good Luck_____Grant.

Everestmaritime · 15-08-2013, 18:27

I have been onboard. Do not buy this boat unless you really need a kp44 or a have $50,000 extra lying around to spend on her. The boat is TRASHED !

barboak · 15-08-2013, 18:52

Call Captain Neil Haynes, Blue Water Surveys in Charleston. He surveyed a KP44 for us a few years ago and knows what to look for. We walked from the boat early on in the survey (different boat probably)

Everestmaritime · 15-08-2013, 19:06

Anybody that wants to defend the boat please check out below link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1003140...th/9515631317/

Dan
Dan Meggitt

Kevin84 · 15-08-2013, 19:16

Guys, I appreciate all the feedback, but I'm walking away from this one. With all the discoloration around her deck hardware, I'd lay good money down that she's got serious core rot. Def not something I want to deal with. Plus with her electrical the way it is, there is no way I'm trusting it to Cary a load ad a liveaboard until I can replace it. If I could afford to put it up on the hard for s couple Yeats while I refit her, maybe. But not otherwise.

malbert73 · 15-08-2013, 20:20

IMHO good move.

With the internet now, I really think the chances of finding that "super underpriced diamond" has gone down a ton. If there is a well-known and sought after boat (like a KP44) priced WAAYYY below market, chances are way in favor of it being a lemon. It's not like it used to be pre internet where exposure of listings was much less.

Best chance for the deal of the century in this size range is to find a boat that suits your needs, that is not a well known brand- ie no one enters it in "search" on yachtworld. Or maybe a home built that actually was built well to a good design.

From the pix, I don't think the boat is even a good deal for free....

Celestialsailor · 15-08-2013, 21:35

[QUOTE=gjordan;1313314]Kevin, dont let the internet bully you. QUOTE]
You seem hell bent on labeling posters who were asked by the OP for advice as being bullied when the advice that does not go with what you think. Your suggestions are sound. Just as others are and the OP has stated MANY times his gratitude for ALL the input.

Paul L · 16-08-2013, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by malbert73

IMHO good move.

With the internet now, I really think the chances of finding that "super underpriced diamond" has gone down a ton. If there is a well-known and sought after boat (like a KP44) priced WAAYYY below market, chances are way in favor of it being a lemon. It's not like it used to be pre internet where exposure of listings was much less.

Best chance for the deal of the century in this size range is to find a boat that suits your needs, that is not a well known brand- ie no one enters it in "search" on yachtworld. Or maybe a home built that actually was built well to a good design.

From the pix, I don't think the boat is even a good deal for free....

There are still deal boats around, especially if you are willing to deal with one that is remote, like in Trinidad or Panama. These folks generally have to offer a big discount if they are going to sell. But then the buying and looking costs go way up.

gjordan · 16-08-2013, 08:46

I learned the hard way about selling in Panama. Took a real beating by not being able to be there. I have often thought about looking in out of the way places for my next boat, but the logistics of it are tough. I bought 2 boats that were long distances from my home, and it made it difficult. On another note! I wonder if Sabray would have bought his boat, if he had asked this group for advice? ROTTEN COCKPIT OH run for the hills, the whole boat must be rotten!!!!! I doubt if Sabray is sorry that he bought his boat. _____Grant.

Kevin84 · 16-08-2013, 08:48

I'm not even worried so much about a "deal". My fiancé and I have a plan. It actually includes buying a friends C30 then upgrading in 4 years or so your cruising boat. But when I saw this one, I figures I'd at least do my due diligence on her and see if it made sense to skip the intermediate step.