Oyster, Tayana, Moody, Northwind or HR for blue water?

[Clivevon]

Originally Posted by NPCampbell

In terms of numbers, AWBs dominate the ARC rally pretty much every year. 46 out of the 152 monohulls in the 2019 ARC rally were AWBs from Bene, Jean & Bav. This has been the case for at least the last 10 years. How much more blue water than the Atlantic do you want?

Have to agree. The best boat is probably the one you already own. Unless, of course, you know why it isnt…???

[robert sailor]

The sailboats on the original posters list are all stick built boats. Others have listed liner built boats...truth is under most conditions you can cross an ocean in a row boat but that might not be an ideal choice. Liner built boats have crossed many oceans and if your on a budget that may be your only choice.
Personally I prefer a stick built boat for extensive offshore cruising unfortunately they are not cheap. Lots of choices out there.

[bstreep]

I'd also mention Hylas. We own a Macintosh/Mcintosh 47. Problem is that they only made 16. They figured they were losing $100K a boat and that it wasn't a great business model.

There is one for sale on Yachtworld. It's an early model. Pics show that a lot of basic work was put into it for the important stuff, and that it could use cosmetics. Our boat looks VERY different than this one, but these are very solid boats, and undervalued.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...ffbau-7491327/

[Muaddib1116]

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/200...ckpit-8049160/


https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/200...ckpit-8041538/


This boat needs some work, but despite my comments earlier the list price makes this interesting.

[Celestialsailor]

How about an Amel?

[abezzi]

If you are thinking to buy new, have you thought of Kraken 50? these boats looks like the real blue water yachts!

[ChrisJHC]

Originally Posted by abezzi

If you are thinking to buy new, have you thought of Kraken 50? these boats looks like the real blue water yachts!

Said he/she could stretch to 200K EUR so a 1M EUR Kraken 50 probably isn’t going to work.

Still a very nice boat!

Edit: Dave the Dog is probably “he”!

[davethedog]

Yes I am indeed a male and identify as one also LOL

[davethedog]

Originally Posted by abezzi

If you are thinking to buy new, have you thought of Kraken 50? these boats looks like the real blue water yachts!

I wish!!!

[abezzi]

Originally Posted by ChrisJHC

Said he/she could stretch to 200K EUR so a 1M EUR Kraken 50 probably isn’t going to work.
Still a very nice boat!
Edit: Dave the Dog is probably “he”!

My fault! I was reading while doing something else and didn't catch that part!!!

[Paramotorgreg]

We have owned a 1998 Northwind 50 for 6 years and crossed the Atlantic in it 2 years ago. It has excellent build quality and we are very happy with it. It has 1200lt water; 600lt diesel; and came with factory fitted 6kW generator; watermaker; washing machine, so all the necessities for long distance cruising. We mainly sail 2 handed and it is easy to manage with 2. One of the major benefits for us was the deck saloon and the fact that you can actually see out of the windows from down below.

We were considering a larger boat for a while and wanted a Northwind 58 because we like this one so much, but Covid prevented us from viewing the boats we were interested in and now they have all sold. When we were looking for the new boat we did go and look at some larger Moody's and I was rather surprised and very disappointed by their build quality which is nowhere near as good as the Northwind.

Our friends have a Tayana 49 and their's is a very nice boat with good build quality, but although it is a deck saloon and so quite light down below, the saloon is so deep that you can't actually see out of the windows so a no-no for us.

Some other friends have an Oyster 47 which again although a deck saloon is also too deep to see out of the windows. In addition their's was fitted with a 240v fridge so only worked when they ran their generator - I don't know if this is a standard fitting but I thought it was very strange and it was a no-no for me.

The HR is a great boat, but way more expensive than a Northwind and not a deck saloon so I find it quite dark down below.

[nortonscove]

My ideal boat right now would be the HR43 later models. Not sure if it fits the budget.

[Muaddib1116]

Originally Posted by Paramotorgreg

We have owned a 1998 Northwind 50 for 6 years and crossed the Atlantic in it 2 years ago. It has excellent build quality and we are very happy with it. It has 1200lt water; 600lt diesel; and came with factory fitted 6kW generator; watermaker; washing machine, so all the necessities for long distance cruising. We mainly sail 2 handed and it is easy to manage with 2. One of the major benefits for us was the deck saloon and the fact that you can actually see out of the windows from down below.

We were considering a larger boat for a while and wanted a Northwind 58 because we like this one so much, but Covid prevented us from viewing the boats we were interested in and now they have all sold. When we were looking for the new boat we did go and look at some larger Moody's and I was rather surprised and very disappointed by their build quality which is nowhere near as good as the Northwind.

Our friends have a Tayana 49 and their's is a very nice boat with good build quality, but although it is a deck saloon and so quite light down below, the saloon is so deep that you can't actually see out of the windows so a no-no for us.

Some other friends have an Oyster 47 which again although a deck saloon is also too deep to see out of the windows. In addition their's was fitted with a 240v fridge so only worked when they ran their generator - I don't know if this is a standard fitting but I thought it was very strange and it was a no-no for me.

The HR is a great boat, but way more expensive than a Northwind and not a deck saloon so I find it quite dark down below.

Really interesting stuff, thanks. Northwinds aren't common in the states, otherwise I would have been more interested in them. I didn't realize they had a model with raised interior seating for good visibility. I hadn't seen the 50 before, is it basically an updated version of the 47 with a sugar scoop extension on the transom? It sounds very similar to my boat in many ways. One of my big priorities was good visibility from the deck saloon, even when seated.

[WindintheWillow]

The Dixon Moody's are good boats but almost all seem to have suffered from new boat shakedown syndrome so my twopenny worth is to go for something sorted. Amels are designed for what you want to: monocoque construction, twin headsail rig, watertight bulkheads. Not designed as marina eye candy but extremely robust. I'd watch out for the height of the gooseneck above the deck and, personally, I'd avoid in mast roller reefing. If only my wife had permitted a blue water boat of this size, I had my eye on one of the wonderful old Laurent Giles Moodies, like the Carbineer. Fabulously well built and so comfortable in a seaway.

[Bill Balme]

If you could stretch the budget some, I'd definitely recommend an Outbound 44 or 46. If you look at Attainable Adventure Cruising, he's done several articles on the whys and wherefores of the Outbounds. There are a couple on the market (or about to be) but your budget would need to increase to probably $3-400k
(When we were looking for our cruising boat, our budget was similar to yours but the Outbound was so compelling that we raised the budget to over double and don't regret it one iota!)

We were on a Trintella 44 last night - looks like a very solid blue water cruiser or the 47 which is an Aluminium hull. A little dated, but very functional layout and solid.

If you can find one, the Bowman 48 is super nice and probably in your price range. (I think there's one in Antigua for sale...)

Good luck with your search!