Recommendations - Yet another blue water boat question

[kwebster]

Would you consider a home built Trimaran, Cross 44' cored with Airex and Klegecell. We took it from Vancouver, BC to Brisbane and back through Samoa and Hawaii. Launched in 1992, all GRP except some shelving and counters. See listing on Multihulls NW, Seattle.

[piedamer]

[From NZ I have a Beneteau 456 for sale this yacht was designed as a ocean going yacht by German Friers. She fits most of your criteria and would sell less than $100,000. We have been cruising in her for the last 12 years in the Pacific Islands, Australia,Indonesia Malayisa,Philippines and Micronesesia. you will find her on cruisers forum page 11 listed as Beneteau 456ocean going yacht for sale My Email piedamer@ gmail.com. AQUOTE=kev_rm;2892026]Am starting a search for a new boat. These are my criteria, in order of importance:

1) Less than 25 years old
2) Less than $150K (+/- 30% depending on condition)
3) 33-42ft length
4) Reasonable resale value
5) Minimal Wood above deck
6) Extremely robust construction suitable for long passages & sea-kindly
7) Mid-range performance upwind (<180 PHRF?)
8) Running rigging suitable for shorthanded/solo
9) Tankage 50+gals fuel, 80+gals h20
10) Volvo = 10K discount on price range for repower (sorry..)

Don't care about:
- how many it sleeps/stateroom/head count
- what it looks like
- where it is[/QUOTE]

[NormanMartin]

We think about cruising shallow water places and found the S&S designed Tartan 37 to be a good choice as a shallow draft sea-kindly design. I also like the older Hood designed Tartan 37.

Both are over 25 years old so that's going to be a problem.

Let us know what you select.

[david bruce]

Consider an Amel Santorin, we LOVE ours, it is considered 'niche' by some, but is universally praised by those that know them. They represent a very good value IMO. Amel is still in business and both they and the owners group provide amazing support. Just a thought.

Dave sv LIESSE Amel Santorin, on hard at moment in Gaeta, Italy.

[bobfromcanada]

This may be your opportunity. My Sceptre 41 meets all your criteria except for age. She's older than 25 years (built 1982), but has been well maintained and is in good condition. AFAIK, she is the only Sceptre on the Great Lakes.

I'm not sure why you are interested in PHRF, except to determine which boats are dogs and can't get out of their own way. I looked it up and the PHRF rating for the Sceptre 41 is 125. The Sceptre 43 is 120 and it's the same identical boat except for a sugar scoop transom. She sails like a dream and we have not been disappointed.

The boat is on the hard at the moment but not by choice. The flooding on Lake Ontario has now exceeded the 2017 level and that was supposed to be the once a century flood. Now, two years later, it's happening all over again and water levels are expected to continue rising for the next few weeks. Most of the seawall is awash so harbour protection in a storm is inadequate in my opinion and I don't want to leave her unattended. It's an hours drive from home. There is no water or power on the dock. The electrical junction boxes are submerged so the power has been turned off for safety reasons. That dock was also damaged over the winter, and repairs are progressing slowly so there's not even a 'suitable' place to go to if and when we launch. There are currently 4 boats out of 32 on the dock on the inside. They're working their way out the dock one section at a time. Our dock is on the far outside so it's going to take them a while to get there.

Our boating season is short enough as it is and it's a lot of work to launch, commission and then haul out and winterise for the next winter. We deferred launch entirely in 2017 for that reason and may be forced to do the same this year. So, were are not happy to say the least.

This is not the boating I want or expected. I don't really want to sell her at the moment, but I'd be willing to let her go for $150K USD (your limit) for a no fuss, no muss, no broker and commission sale. Check Yachtworld for similar vessels. There are usually more but there are currently only two listed and I'm pretty sure one of them is a vessel we turned down when we bought ours. If my boat was seriously for sale I'd bump the asking price to $170K or $180K and give the keys to a broker.

[kev_rm]

reviving this thread because I think I found something that meets everything but 1 (close..)

Passport 40/41

Any feedback on those units?

Originally Posted by kev_rm

Am starting a search for a new boat. These are my criteria, in order of importance:

1) Less than 25 years old
2) Less than $150K (+/- 30% depending on condition)
3) 33-42ft length
4) Reasonable resale value
5) Minimal Wood above deck
6) Extremely robust construction suitable for long passages & sea-kindly
7) Mid-range performance upwind (<180 PHRF?)
8) Running rigging suitable for shorthanded/solo
9) Tankage 50+gals fuel, 80+gals h20
10) Volvo = 10K discount on price range for repower (sorry..)

Don't care about:
- how many it sleeps/stateroom/head count
- what it looks like
- where it is

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by kev_rm

reviving this thread because I think I found something that meets everything but 1 (close..)

Passport 40/41

Any feedback on those units?

well known older design

but really, after all this time you could only find 1 that was close???????

and that's the last post I plan for this thread

[barnakiel]

Have you tried typing your request into the yachtworld search engine?


What popped up?


barnakiel

[kev_rm]

Spending an hour or more a day since first post on yachtworld.

Basically there are three kinds of boats:

Slow super heavy boats, newer e.g. IP older e.g. Hans Christian
Older modified fin mid-weight blue water boats e.g. Passport
Many newer Lightweight production boats that are fast but not outfitted for long cruising. 40 gallons of water for a 40' boat? Are you kidding me?

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Have you tried typing your request into the yachtworld search engine?


What popped up?


barnakiel

[Arthurwg]

I've just started looking at the Passport 40 for my next boat after reading Bob Perry's book. Seems to hit most of my requirements, especially the Pullman birth and forward head. Now to find one w/o teak decks...

[Psy at SEA]

This vessel is maybe the one for you?

https://www.annoncesbateau.com/voili...ce-915689.html

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by kev_rm

Spending an hour or more a day since first post on yachtworld.

Basically there are three kinds of boats:

Slow super heavy boats, newer e.g. IP older e.g. Hans Christian
Older modified fin mid-weight blue water boats e.g. Passport
Many newer Lightweight production boats that are fast but not outfitted for long cruising. 40 gallons of water for a 40' boat? Are you kidding me?

I am afraid we are looking at two differnt yachtworlds? ;-)


Now seriously, what about older, quality, well performing boats.


E.g.


HR 37
Najad 360
Morris 36
Rustler 42
Ovni (36-43)



Dozens if not hundreds of such boats out there.



If water tankage is high priority, an Amel Mango perhaps.



etc.


I do not mean any specific boat make but overal - boats like these, give or take few feet to get into the bracket you want?


You are aware, I assume, that you are not getting a huge tankage AND a boat that performs well (within the size envelope). Mango has the tankage and the performance, but man they look like 50' of a boat to me.


In smaller boats, the only way to get big tankage is a water ballasted boat (only Cigale now comes to mind, to pricey for you).


So, what normal humans do ... they buy a well performing hull and drink desalinated water. Yes, yes, it is 21 century already. No need for rusting bilge tanks ... Or hanked on sails ... ;-)



OK. So to make the long post LONGER: look towards quality modern boats. You get performance, comfort, strength. Skip the very old, very heavy hulls (too slow, to rolly) and the new paper boats (too flimsy, in the long run). Look at HQ stuff in the middle shelf - HRs, Najads, Amels, PSs, Morris, etc.


Cheers,
b.