Rounding Cape Horn in CD 33 vs ASW II (merged)

[Novice69]

Thank you so much for the shared insight.

[Novice69]

Originally Posted by Cynara

I'm assuming you have no sailing experience. What made choose these two boats.

Before you jump into which of thes would be good for southern ocean get much more experience.

Even if the boats are capable you may not be.

Our Hans Christian 34 was capable but not the sailing we wanted

We did central America and Panama canal and had a blast

These guys did it in a Watkins 36, I believe with basically 0 sailing and filming the experience

Check it out https://www.hellorhighseas.com/about

[double u]

Originally Posted by Novice69

This was your second posting, From what I understand this is a free forum and I have the right to post. ...

sure you have the right to POST, I didn't deny that.
This just does not imply your right to an answer.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Novice69

These guys did it in a Watkins 36, I believe with basically 0 sailing and filming the experience

Check it out https://www.hellorhighseas.com/about

Its less about the boat and more about the man.. seen big men crumble alone or with crew at sea and the skinny guy in the Charles Atlas adverts thrive..
If you don't have the right mentality the type of boat is irrelevant...

[Novice69]

Originally Posted by double u

sure you have the right to POST, I didn't deny that.
This just does not imply your right to an answer.

Which communist manifesto has inspired you to even state that. Please stop hating cause That dog don't hunt!

[Fore and Aft]

Boatman 61 is right, I have cried into my Weetabix once or twice just wishing I could go home. Plenty of days at sea can really stretch you mentally.
Cape Horn has been sailed around by a myriad of vessels. No reason you can't skipper one novice69
Cheers

[Cyrus Safdari]

The most challenging voyage to undertake? Meh. Hollywood.


It's kind of interesting to note that while Rounding the Cape is such a huge deal to us, the locals living around these capes were rounding them pretty regularly, fishing, trading, fighting in whatever vessels they used since prehistory and they probably didn't even know they were rounding a cape. People have also crossed oceans with thatch canoes. it's really not about the boat as much as the captain. And despite the romantic image of "rounding the Cape" its still just sailing, wind water etc going from protected Anchorage to another protected Anchorage while dodging storm. That is the same whether in the fjords of Norway or Bay of Biscay or the PNW... so.you can get into trouble aplenty without going that far. These are not the things that set Water boats">blue water boats apart from each other, which is what you're asking I guess. The question you should be asking is something like "which one provides easier access to the prop shaft packing gland in case of a leak there?" Etc which is not nearly as romantic an image of Rounding the Cape they show in movies but then again they also don't show replacing a toilet joker valve while puking from sea sickness and spilled holding tank in the middle of a 3 day storm. That is the reality and the sort of actual "challenge"

Part of the reason "Rounding the Cape" is so romanticized is because apart from Vasco da Gamma and Magellan ( the first Europeans that rounded the capes; nonEuropeanss were sailing around there way before) was because of the clipper ships competed to get to market fastest so there was a constant GGR race going on except back then mariners had no union and losing a few sailors overboard was normal as long as the goods got to market. Thankfully that's not how we sail anymore

[Cyrus Safdari]

Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari

Vasco da Gamma

Error! Dias not da Gama who was the first to make it all the way to India
Dias was a highly experienced professional sailor who did his job exceptionally well without much fuss ( and didn't get a parade) because it is all still just sailing and if you're a good sailor, you're a good sailor regardless

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari

Error! Dias not da Gama who was the first to make it all the way to India
Dias was a highly experienced professional sailor who did his job exceptionally well without much fuss ( and didn't get a parade) because it is all still just sailing and if you're a good sailor, you're a good sailor regardless

Error Dos -
Ferdinand Magellan did not sail around Cape Horn.
As stated above it is fairly simple to day sail around the Horn.... 'Doubling the Horn' is the hard one.

[Cyrus Safdari]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Error Dos -
Ferdinand Magellan did not sail around Cape Horn.

I was referring to both capes hence the use of plural
There are other capes that seem to be ignored in all the romantic nonsense about these two

[El Pinguino]

Originally Posted by Cyrus Safdari

I was referring to both capes hence the use of plural
There are other capes that seem to be ignored in all the romantic nonsense about these two

Hang on a mo... what is the 'romantic nonsense' about what 'both capes'?

Cape of Good Hope - like Cape Leeuwin - is in the mid 30's... about the same latitude as San Diego and Sydney, NSW, ... not a lot of romance about rounding them.

[Fore and Aft]

Cyrus Safdari I love the romance of a Cape Horn rounding. I will probably never do it but it's cool to have a sailing pinnacle. Certainly the Cape Horner's I have met are good for a yarn.
The Cape Horn romance is no different to any other sport highlight. Here in Australia we have Melbourne cup, which is a horse race that stops a nation. Buggered if I understand it, but different stroke for different folks.
Ping, Cook Strait is 41 South and nothing much special about sailing there. People have swum it.
Cheers

[AiniA]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Hang on a mo... what is the 'romantic nonsense' about what 'both capes'?

Cape of Good Hope - like Cape Leeuwin - is in the mid 30's... about the same latitude as San Diego and Sydney, NSW, ... not a lot of romance about rounding them.

I think that the Cape of Good Hope must have had good PR agents for centuries to get the attention it does. Nearby Cape Point is slightly further south and more impressive and Cape Agulhas is the furthest south in Africa.

[Cyrus Safdari]

Originally Posted by El Pinguino

like Cape Leeuwin - .

Yup exactly there are other capes but who even remembers the names of the first Europeans to pass those other capes?

And why are capes big deal compared to say sailing through archipelagos? Hell if you want "challenging" try Miami harbor on a Sunday afternoon with all the drunk weekend captains zipping by with their wakes

[Cyrus Safdari]

Originally Posted by Fore and Aft

Cyrus Safdari I love the romance of a Cape Horn rounding. I will probably never do it but

Yes but theres a difference between the position of the observer and the do-er

For the do-er, sailing is sailing
Dias wasn't "rounding the Cape" he was doing what he was good at and what his family did for a living & thats probably why he didnt get much attention doing it