Sailboat Bow Design

[captainKJ]

Take a look at this hull. Personally i think it was a motor-yacht hull that the used as a mold for the fiberglass hull of this sailboat.

It is a project boat, balsa cored and has been on the hard for 10 years. Just looking for an opinion if you think this type of hull would actually sail. I know if need LOTS of work so please save the comments that it is better to look at something else. Just have an interest in if anybody has seen a hull like this on a sailboat and will it sail

[sabray]

Probably go down wind quite nice. In a short period chop she would be hell. Forget it there are some great boats for sale this would nit be on my list

[perchance]

With that underbody I would bet she really carves those high speed turns.

[captainKJ]

thats what I thought,,thanks

will be looking for another one, I know that there are lots of them around that need less work and would sail better.

Thanks

[David M]

It is a powerboat planing hull which is poorly suited for sailing.

[captainKJ]

Originally Posted by David M

It is a powerboat planing hull which is poorly suited for sailing.

thats what it looked like to me, thanks

[stratosailor]

Hi everybody, this is stratosailor and I'm making my first post on this forum.

At the risk of making a complete fool of myself, I think this sailboat may have it's genesis in what was known as the sailing scow. It's hard to tell the scale of the craft from the photo and harder still to make out the keel design, but the hard chines indicate to me that this might be one of those venerable work boats of yesteryear, or at least modeled on that type of hull. Here is a description from Wikipedia:

Sailing scows

"The scow in particular, in the form of the scow schooner, was the first significant example of a hard chine sailing vessel. While the squared off scow hulls were ugly to sailors accustomed to the sleek, rounded hulls of the time, a scow could carry far more cargo, and while a laden scow was slow and difficult to sail, when not heavily laden it would keep up with the traditional schooners sailing to windward. While sailing scows had a poor safety reputation, that was due more to their typical cheap construction and tendency to founder in storms. As long as it sailed in the protected inland and coastal waters it was designed to operate in, however, the sailing scow was an efficient and cost effective solution to transporting goods from inland sources to the coast. A good example of this is the gundalow."

Of course, sailing scows were indeed workboats and were usually pretty large. There is a much, much smaller example of this type of hull on a sailboat that has been very popular for many years, the legendary West Wight Potter. Although the keels may be different, the hard chines are certainly a part of the Potter's unique character and she is known to be quite a capable little sailor. Hope this helps.

[daddle]

Run away...

[Amgine]

Originally Posted by stratosailor

I think this sailboat may have it's genesis in what was known as the sailing scow.

Welcome aboard, Stratosailor!

That hull is unlikely a sailing scow. Most of the Great Lakes sailing scows were more on the shape - and hull draft - of a sailing barge. The San Francisco Bay sailing scows were more vee-hulled, true, but this one still appears pretty narrow of beam to my eye.

[holmek]

Sure it's not pretty, but look at it objectively. Modern planing sailboat hulls era "Skimming dishes", as little boat in the water as possible.A modern racer would not look much different, bow-on, if built with hard chines. Ugly, but serviceable. The issue is more about keel, ballast, and balance.

[Dick Pluta]

No experience or knowledge of hull design, but modern scows are designed to be sailed at what most of us would consider extreme angles of heel. I think you'd probably have to over about 45 degrees to start reducing wetted area on this one. Other than that, it looks pretty much like an ordinary hard chine hull.

DIck Pluta
AEGEA

[stratosailor]

Amgine, Thanks for the welcome!

You are absolutely right Amgine, and thanks. This is obviously not a sailing scowl. I realize now that might have been a poor comparison. However, I don't think I was too far off the mark with the comparison to the West Wight Potter hull, which is very similar to what I see here. What I was really getting at was that hard-chined hulls have been used on sailing vessels for many years, and yes it probably would sail just fine, up to a point.

[Blue Stocking]

"sailing scowl"--Freudian slip

[captainKJ]

A couple more photos. The hull was of interesting design, I have decided to pass on it. Looking at the rest of the photos it would need to much work, although the broker has assured me that the inside is very dry. Also seems to have large dent on the port side bow underneath

[GordMay]

Given a mast, sails, and wind; that hull should be able to sail.