The white whale. The unicorn.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by leandroflaherty

An over built canvas full enclosure would open up your boat options quite a bit. You can add those to most sailboats, diy too if being frugal matters.

True this! I saw a Freedom 37 cat ketch that had this solution.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by deblen

If you cruise north of Boston,pilothouse motorsailers make sense.
Cheers/Len


https://m.facebook.com/groups/motorsailers/

True. But a pilothouse masthead sloop is more my speed.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by Calif.Ted

Friend of mine used to be the west coast factory dealer for PSC when they were nearby in Fullerton. I spoke with a guy from the factory who explained why they made so few pilothouse models. Turns out making nice, straight, strong, light and attractive flat panels was more labor intensive than anticipated. Cost them a lot more to make a pilothouse than projected and decreased their profit margin.
If there's a mainsail under that cover on the boom it is worthless.

That makes sense, re PSC and pilothouses.

And yeah, just from the pictures and the way the ad is worded I realized that the buyer of this boat is purchasing (at least) a new main$ail.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by leandroflaherty

An over built canvas full enclosure would open up your boat options quite a bit. You can add those to most sailboats, diy too if being frugal matters.

Could also do a hard dodger and hard top bimini with canvas sides, etc.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by SCWentz

Me being a Newbie again, but what in the ad tells you that?

Great question!

For one thing, that picture does not indicate a healthy, new mainsail. It looks like a sail cover over a bare boom!!

Also, the wording of the ad "signals" (my word) that something's wrong. When the sails are new, or were recently replaced, the ad almost always says so (and gives you the year). When the sails are in excellent condition, the ad almost always says so. Once you get to "very good" condition, you start to worry: Very good at what? Making the boat go forward in normal conditions? Or handling (or even staying in one piece) when you get in weather?

When the ad doesn't say anything about the age or condition of the sails, my first instinct is that there's something they don't want me to know.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by svfinlandia

I looked at one of these before I bought my Nauticat. I liked it a lot, but I fell in love with the Nauticat.
And yes, she will probably be as slow as my Nauticat, but like you I am in no hurry.
If you like it, go for it and don’t let her get away from you!

Al, S/V Finlandia

There's one in your neighborhood that's half the price of that Pacific Seacraft!

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/198...house-5951560/

That's a lot of teak. Seaworthy-looking vessel though. I wonder how many times I'd break my toe on the clete on the deck going forward.

(I'd say "I'm not sure I want a motorsailer," but that might reignite the "What is a motorsailer" debate, and I definitely do not want to do that!)

[somanyboats]

DMF sailing, we have a PSC 32 pilothouse. 1992. It's easy to handle and well built. As you sit in the cockpit you can see thru to the bow. We added a bimini for some shade
I believe that only 19-24 were built, so they are rare.
If you find one I think you would be happy with it. We are happy with ours.

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by somanyboats

DMF sailing, we have a PSC 32 pilothouse. 1992. It's easy to handle and well built. As you sit in the cockpit you can see thru to the bow. We added a bimini for some shade
I believe that only 19-24 were built, so they are rare.
If you find one I think you would be happy with it. We are happy with ours.

Thank you so much for contributing.

Definitely 19-24 is unicorn territory.

Just curious, 15 knots, moderately choppy seas (i.e. your average day here outside July and August), how fast are you going?

[Yellowtulip]

Originally Posted by DMF Sailing

Thank you so much for contributing.



Definitely 19-24 is unicorn territory.



Just curious, 15 knots, moderately choppy seas (i.e. your average day here outside July and August), how fast are you going?

With a waterline length of just over 24 ft, I say 6.5 knots maximum!

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by Yellowtulip

With a waterline length of just over 24 ft, I say 6.5 knots maximum!

Yes, well, that's the calculation. Not every boat acts according to its numbers, though.

[Yellowtulip]

Originally Posted by DMF Sailing

Yes, well, that's the calculation. Not every boat acts according to its numbers, though.

I’d bet a lot that a boat of that hull configuration and displacement/length ratio would NEVER exceed its theoretical hull speed through the water in 15 knots of wind!

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by Yellowtulip

I’d bet a lot that a boat of that hull configuration and displacement/length ratio would NEVER exceed its theoretical hull speed through the water in 15 knots of wind!

yeah, I was thinking in the other direction

[Bill O]

Here's a review of the boat (pg 45).

After reading the review, it appears it would check all the boxes for DMF.

[Yellowtulip]

Originally Posted by DMF Sailing

yeah, I was thinking in the other direction

Backwards? Very hard to steer

[DMF Sailing]

Originally Posted by Bill O

Here's a review of the boat (pg 45).

After reading the review, it appears it would check all the boxes for DMF.

Thanks for tracking that down!