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libspero · 07-10-2018, 07:03

I’d be interested Vino, love quality / knowledgeable posts about the build and design of these classic boats from those with first hand experience..

zeehag · 11-10-2018, 08:05

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Originally Posted by libspero

I’d be interested Vino, love quality / knowledgeable posts about the build and design of these classic boats from those with first hand experience..

ok so vino is unable to sign into cf anymore for some glitchy reason he is not directed to the forum but to sign in repeatedly., he has given this up until such time as he is again able to sign into this forum. no he didnot change passwords nor did he do anything different. he is merely not able to sign into forum.
as a result, to communicate with him, please see fb, formosa owner group, which i own and run for owners of these boats.
we offer facts, not opinion.
there is also another site in fb, leaky teaky yacht club, owned by bas loovens.
there is also yahoo group leaky teaky yacht club which i now own.
plenty of information specific to these boats.

Vino the Dog · 13-09-2019, 15:35

Greetings group,

I have been off CF for a couple years and just managed to get back on, so checking in to see if I can successfully post and if anyone has any updated information on this subject.

best wishes

Arthurwg · 13-09-2019, 15:58

These boats were inexpensive (cheap) to buy when new and they should be inexpensive to buy now. I'd be very, very careful. Obviously you wold need a good surveyor. If I were you I'd look elsewhere.

Vino the Dog · 13-09-2019, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Arthurwg

These boats were inexpensive (cheap) to buy when new and they should be inexpensive to buy now. I'd be very, very careful. Obviously you wold need a good surveyor. If I were you I'd look elsewhere.

Well, Arthur your advice is six years too late. I did NOT use a surveyor when I bought mine in 2013 because I know better than to trust a surveyor for a realistic report on a 45 year old boat in which the things of concern will never be investigated beyond superficial and their contract always immunizes them from errors and their own negligence. Fortunately I am a good enough craftsman and know enough about these boats not to need one. I intended from the start to get a boat that needed a refit so I would actually know the boat before setting out to sea.

Do you have any real personal experience with the CT-41 or any other Taiwan built similar boat? If so, would love to hear it, but not all the trash-talk rumors that have circulated for decades. I am interested in direct first hand experiences, good and bad.

Your comment that they should be cheap to buy now is totally correct about a derelict, but quite untrue about many that have been totally rebuilt and often customized. It is not uncommon for craftsmen who love working on boats to put $50,000 to $100,000 and ten years work into a reconstruction and those who know what they are doing end up with a vessel that should properly be valued upwards of $150,000.

thanks for replying

Arthurwg · 13-09-2019, 19:42

I did sail on one back in the day, and it sailed OK. And I looked at them intensely when they were new. I guess if you put $100,000 into one these days you would come away with a good boat.

Q Xopa · 13-09-2019, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Vino the Dog

Well, Arthur your advice is six years too late. I did NOT use a surveyor when I bought mine in 2013 because I know better than to trust a surveyor for a realistic report on a 45 year old boat in which the things of concern will never be investigated beyond superficial and their contract always immunizes them from errors and their own negligence. Fortunately I am a good enough craftsman and know enough about these boats not to need one. I intended from the start to get a boat that needed a refit so I would actually know the boat before setting out to sea.

Do you have any real personal experience with the CT-41 or any other Taiwan built similar boat? If so, would love to hear it, but not all the trash-talk rumors that have circulated for decades. I am interested in direct first hand experiences, good and bad.

Your comment that they should be cheap to buy now is totally correct about a derelict, but quite untrue about many that have been totally rebuilt and often customized. It is not uncommon for craftsmen who love working on boats to put $50,000 to $100,000 and ten years work into a reconstruction and those who know what they are doing end up with a vessel that should properly be valued upwards of $150,000.

thanks for replying

I have a CT 49 that I am refitting. It is a solid boat.

zeehag · 14-09-2019, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Arthurwg

I did sail on one back in the day, and it sailed OK. And I looked at them intensely when they were new. I guess if you put $100,000 into one these days you would come away with a good boat.

as i have one of these on which i have resided since 2008, sailed 3000 miles and have enjoyed as a disabled boat while underway and currently enjoying refit. oh yeah--disabled under way and still managed to achieve 300 miles successfully under sail....
i can truthfully say you have no clue.
these are built like brick shithouse.
they sail awesome. they donot like light airs. they love trade winds ...duh they were designed to sail tradewinds. they do it well.
repairs are inexpensive. the 100,000 usd investment is quite out of range. as are all guesstimates

Vino the Dog · 14-09-2019, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Arthurwg

I did sail on one back in the day, and it sailed OK. And I looked at them intensely when they were new. I guess if you put $100,000 into one these days you would come away with a good boat.

When you sailed a CT-41 "in the day", did you:

Make a passage over 1,000 miles?
Single hand at least 500 miles out of sight of land?
Live aboard for at least a year?
Heave to riding out a gale over 100 miles offshore?
Cross an ocean?

If you did none of these, I suggest you know little about these boats for that is the kind of sailing they were designed for and it takes real experience to learn how to sail one.

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undercutter · 16-11-2019, 07:04

Well in answer to the question whether Tao Chiao ever nailed decks they certainly did on my boat and it was built in 1999. Apparently they used this method for a while after giving up screws as they leaked so bad. For sure this way is worse or at least no better as our decks had to be recored after 10 years.

Now I am in Thailand again and hauled out for a refit. I can tell you that some stuff was missed during the last major overhaul.

Posted a few pics of the bowsprit which we are going to replace as well as the area directly beneath that was never recored. They laid upabout 1 1/2 inches of plywood above the bottom deck skin and then laminated that with fg to prvide a seat for the bowsprit. Well this plywood was completely rotten and has now been removed.

So the question is, what to replace it with on this side of the world?
The plywood ran back between the samson posts so I am not sure if it requires a structural material or not. I really do not want to use plywood again if there is something else available around these parts.

The amazing part was the discovery of the void between the outer hull topsides and the inner gunnel above the deck. It seems that there is absolutely nothing in this area and I am sure that it runs back as far as the raised aft deck. This void also extends into a small triangular area on each side of the bowsprit inboard of the hull. There are actually 2 drain holes drilled into these areas from below in the locker. We found this out when I got probing into a joint that got cut open when removing the old plywood.

I posted a drawing although I am not much of an artist.

They are beautiful boats and do actually sail quite well. I had a ct 43 mermaid prior to our purchase of the 56.