Why do you guys like monohulls so much?

[NevilleCat]

[QUOTE=Simi

Waves hitting us on the beam actually bounce off and run back the other way.[/QUOTE]

Great image!

[Supercat568]

I want one of each. And the ability to pop one or the other into existence under my feet when conditions warrant the benefits of that one. If I could control the weather like that I think I'd want to spend my time on a cat for the comfort. But a big gorgeous monohull heeled over just a little, blasting gracefully through the waves leaving a gorgeous bubbly wake behind..that's what I see in my mind when I think sailing.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Supercat568

I want one of each. And the ability to pop one or the other into existence under my feet when conditions warrant the benefits of that one. If I could control the weather like that I think I'd want to spend my time on a cat for the comfort. But a big gorgeous monohull heeled over just a little, blasting gracefully through the waves leaving a gorgeous bubbly wake behind..that's what I see in my mind when I think sailing.

Then you really want a good buccaneer or kraken trimaran with short beams to the ama's

[double u]

...I am still waiting for being told about the cat that would have been aequivalent or better than the Elan 410 for our last Tahiti-trip...(remember: 7 years max, 150.000€ max, fibreglass, serial built, mint condition)...what say the cat-fanboys?

[NevilleCat]

Originally Posted by double u

...I am still waiting for being told about the cat that would have been aequivalent or better than the Elan 410 for our last Tahiti-trip...(remember: 7 years max, 150.000€ max, fibreglass, serial built, mint condition)...what say the cat-fanboys?

Get over it, we get it; you aren't going to find the equivalent cat for the same money...that point has been made many times in this thread alone.
That is the one major point stopping many from buying cats.
There are others of course but the cost is the main factor for many.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by double u

...I am still waiting for being told about the cat that would have been aequivalent or better than the Elan 410 for our last Tahiti-trip...(remember: 7 years max, 150.000€ max, fibreglass, serial built, mint condition)...what say the cat-fanboys?

7 years and go
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...l-404-3726331/
Half the price you set

Plenty to effect repairs
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...-3900-3726348/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...rd-39-3695205/

Back that out to 10 years and yes even better than your elan
https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7629668

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7513550

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7527619

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...ri-41-3667404/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2704166/


https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2860772/

That should answer your questions .

All are considerably less than your 178k USD

And I'm a mono guy .

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by newhaul

7 years and go
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...l-404-3726331/
Half the price you set

Plenty to effect repairs
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...-3900-3726348/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...rd-39-3695205/

Back that out to 10 years and yes even better than your elan
https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7629668

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7513550

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7527619

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...ri-41-3667404/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2704166/


https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2860772/

That should answer your questions .

All are considerably less than your 178k USD

And I'm a mono guy .

Ok, really ?[emoji3]
I clicked on first one- it’s a storm damaged boat. I assume rest as well

There is no denying the price difference to get a solid blue water capable mono (tons available on used market) vs cats.

BUT, remember equal length comparisons are not valid. Eg a 45 foot mono is a smaller boat than a 45 foot cat (lower cost, less interior, fewer systems, lower hauling and dockage costs in most parts, etc). Multiply multi length by 1.3-1.5 to get a valid comparable. Then everything starts to equalize (including price and comfort)

It’s why it’s so tone deaf to hear a 40 foot cat owner say “my boat is so much better/more comfortable than your 40 foot mono”.
Of course it is- it’s a bigger boat and it cost more - so essentially you are bragging how much more money you spent to get a bigger boat

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by malbert73

Ok, really ?[emoji3]
I clicked on first one- it’s a storm damaged boat. I assume rest as well

There is no denying the price difference to get a solid blue water capable mono (tons available on used market) vs cats.

BUT, remember equal length comparisons are not valid. Eg a 45 foot mono is a smaller boat than a 45 foot cat (lower cost, less interior, fewer systems, lower hauling and dockage costs in most parts, etc). Multiply multi length by 1.3-1.5 to get a valid comparable. Then everything starts to equalize (including price and comfort)

It’s why it’s so tone deaf to hear a 40 foot cat owner say “my boat is so much better/more comfortable than your 40 foot mono”.
Of course it is- it’s a bigger boat and it cost more - so essentially you are bragging how much more money you spent to get a bigger boat

Actually only the first two are repairables as i stated in my post
you should look further .

But I guarantee you will not find a comparable cat to my mono in essentially any of the metrics that are discussed here to compare them .

1963 columbia defender Bluewater ready and I have about 3k in it as of now .
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/columbia-29-defender

Full disclosure i am a retired shipwright so do all my own work .

[Bmorgan562]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

My opinion:

It's because monohulls offer a different sailing experience than cats, and some of us like it better. The fiscal realities are that cats tend to be more expensive to buy, maintain, store, and equip than monohulls. For some sailors, the cost differential is important.

Jim

Like Jim said. A different experience. And the cost to replace a mainsail on a cat is costly from what I’ve understood.

[Hoodsail]

Newhaul….took a look at the Black Pearl....and not that I could even remotely afford one of her sails...but going back to aesthetics, I just dont think she is a good looking boat, but admittedly I'm stuck with loving boats like the old J class, 12 meters, designers of the ilk such as; Herreshoff, Olin Stephens, Wm Lapworth, et al.
Of course, I wouldnt turn down an offer to crew on her! So get working on that wont you.

[Bmorgan562]

Haha. Ya. Neil degrade Tyson. Says there are 3truths.
Truth Number One
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[smj]

Originally Posted by Bmorgan562

Like Jim said. A different experience. And the cost to replace a mainsail on a cat is costly from what I’ve understood.

Costly as compared to a monohull?
The only differences I could think of would be the need for a heavier cloth and maybe beefed up reefing points because of the extra stress put on the sail from lack of heeling.
So how much more costly would that be???

[double u]

Originally Posted by newhaul

7 years and go
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...l-404-3726331/
Half the price you set

Plenty to effect repairs
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...-3900-3726348/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...rd-39-3695205/

Back that out to 10 years and yes even better than your elan
https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7629668

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7513550

https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7527619

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...ri-41-3667404/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2704166/


https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/201...105mc-2860772/

That should answer your questions .

All are considerably less than your 178k USD

And I'm a mono guy .

no ex-charter boats please!

a 40' cat with the same payload as the Elan?
come on!
a 34'er? - you have to do better than that!
This is the big Multihull-problem: for the same payload they have to be min. 10-15% longer - & at the same length they cost already considerably more than the mono.

[smj]

Originally Posted by double u

no ex-charter boats please!



a 40' cat with the same payload as the Elan?

come on!

a 34'er? - you have to do better than that!

This is the big Multihull-problem: for the same payload they have to be min. 10-15% longer - & at the same length they cost already considerably more than the mono.

Not a big multihull problem if you can afford it!

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by double u

no ex-charter boats please!

a 40' cat with the same payload as the Elan?
come on!
a 34'er? - you have to do better than that!
This is the big Multihull-problem: for the same payload they have to be min. 10-15% longer - & at the same length they cost already considerably more than the mono.

So whats the history of your precious little elan ( I know they didn't make many )
And now I know why . They literally are a plastic boat .
Hull construction Resin infus./PVC foam hull side

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/elan-410


And not even considered a Bluewater boat according to the comfort ratio breakdown
It has a 24.88

My 29 has a 33.47 for comparison and a solid glass hull that is at least 3/4 inch thick at the sheer and 2 inches or more at the turn of the bilge.

You can use the following guidelines to interpret comfort ratio results: numbers below 20 indicate a lightweight racing boat; 20 to 30 indicates a coastal cruiser; 30 to 40 indicates a moderate bluewater cruising boat; 50 to 60 indicates a heavy bluewater boat; and over 60 indicates an extremely heavy bluewater boat.