Why do you guys like monohulls so much?

[river251]

Originally Posted by sandy stone

What kind of boat do you own?

Hi Sandy, so far just the ones in my dreams.

[river251]

Originally Posted by Talk Story

I don't get the hommage to youtubers

That and the forums are all I have right now. I enjoy those two YouTube channels, because I learn a lot and they're fairly pleasant fellows period but boy do they complain about the boat rolling around, especially Kevin. Someday I'll transition from virtual sailing to real sailing.

[CassidyNZ]

Originally Posted by fxykty

You’d need to ask the organisers of the races that don’t, why not. Generally it’s because a run of the mill not very expensive racing multihull with crap sails will beat the pants off of a very expensive top of the line racing monohull.

That’s probably true as long as the wind blows quite hard and from abaft the beam. But it’s not always true. The NZ Coastal Classic was won by a mono this year, just in case you never noticed.

I would be interested in seeing a multihull racing in the Southern Ocean in huge seas and screaming winds while kicking a Volvo 65 in the slats.

[Training Wheels]

Gee, what kind of boat holds the Jules Verne record? Pretty sure they spend a little time in the southern ocean.

[capn_billl]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Why don’t they let cats or tri,s in offshore races like Newport to Bermuda?

Using a cat is cheating.

Mine was built in South Africa, and sailed on its own keel to USA.

I was a little unsure about going the cat route as most of my sailing experience was mono.

But caught offshore in a moderate storm we didn't even worry about spilling the Champaign.

My wife fixed dinner on a non gimballed stove, and heated up coffee in the microwave, while i stayed at the helm in 25-30kt winds, and significant seas.

Occasionally I would hear a boom as a wave broke under the bridgedeck, I found small course changes made this infrequent.

Note: my wife has claustrophobia, and gets motion sickness.

Her only complaint after the storm was a slight headache.

In a monohull, under similar conditions she was sick as a dog, and unable to function.

Sailing a cat is different, but still fun. It's more of a "sail by numbers" than a mono.

And when I arrive at my destination, it's like a floating condo with all the comforts of home.

[B23iL23]

Jeez guys. Why not Mono vs Cat racing? Simple. You race either one-design so it's an even field, or you race handicap rating to get an even field.

The problem is there is no rating rule that works for both cats and displacement monos. You get one rule like IRC which is for ballasted monos and then another SCHRS rule for cats. Problem is they are not compatible. Separate races on the same course is fine but you end up with two different winners.

And yes, multihulls have raced the southern ocean and the Tri IDEC 3 holds the record at 42 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes and 35 seconds.

Banque Populaire, an Imoca, has the mono record at 74 days 3h 35m.

[CassidyNZ]

Originally Posted by Training Wheels

Gee, what kind of boat holds the Jules Verne record? Pretty sure they spend a little time in the southern ocean.

Hardly a “not very expensive multihull with crap sails”?

[Topspin]

My "window of affordability" is incompatible with the cheapest used multihull.
But I very well can afford a used 46-51 mono in good condition!



Regards,



-Richard (VK4WRS)

[smj]

Originally Posted by Topspin

My "window of affordability" is incompatible with the cheapest used multihull.
But I very well can afford a used 46-51 mono in good condition!



Regards,



-Richard (VK4WRS)

What’s your budget as that doesn’t seem realistic.

[Yihang]

Probably a cost and time in market issue but is anyone aware of solo round the world via southern cape voyages on a production cat thats not sponsored racing?

If not someone with a seawind should do it.

[AKA-None]

I’ve only sailed a cat once and it felt like driving a minivan

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by fxykty

You’d need to ask the organisers of the races that don’t, why not. Generally it’s because a run of the mill not very expensive racing multihull with crap sails will beat the pants off of a very expensive top of the line racing monohull. It’s the same reason Hobie Cats and Wharrams were once considered symbols of counter culture (well, Wharrams still are I expect).

As an example, Sydney-Hobart race organiser the CYCA just sites their own CYCA General Conditions of Racing clause 8.1 “a boat shall be of monohull construction...”. I.E. just because.

Brest Ultime Challenge, Jules Verne Trophy, Transat Jacques Varbe, Caribbean 600, Fastnet, etc, etc, etc, all allow multihulls.

Anybody who doesn't already know that a performance catamaran is faster, particularly off the wind, than a performance monohull of the same length hasn't been paying attention.

There are other considerations pro and con, for both sides as has been stated.

However we find, anectodally speaking, that cruisers with cruising monohulls vs cruisers with cruising cats, don't usually cross oceans in much different numbers of days. In other words, in practical terms, speed potential doesn't often show up in speed achieved. Someone who says contrarily that they have cossed from "X" to "Z" days faster that any of the monohulls they know of, it just means they don't have a typical cruising catamaran.

If you prefer either cats vs monohulls, unless you are into a race boat of either pursuasion, your preference is not based on speed.

[smj]

Originally Posted by wingssail

Anybody who doesn't already know that a performance catamaran is faster, particularly off the wind, than a performance monohull of the same length hasn't been paying attention.



There are other considerations pro and con, for both sides as has been stated.



However we find, anectodally speaking, that cruisers with cruising monohulls vs cruisers with cruising cats, don't usually cross oceans in much different numbers of days. In other words, in practical terms, speed potential doesn't often show up in speed achieved. Someone who says contrarily that they have cossed from "X" to "Z" days faster that any of the monohulls they know of, it just means they don't have a typical cruising catamaran.



If you prefer either cats vs monohulls, unless you are into a race boat of either pursuasion, your preference is not based on speed.

So what actual cruising monohulls would you compare to actual cruising cats? Meaning manufacturer and length

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by smj

So what actual cruising monohulls would you compare to actual cruising cats? Meaning manufacturer and length

There is an almost infinate variety of sailboats passing through a port like this, monohulls and cats.

Around here I see Jeanneau 40-45', Beneteau 40-45', Halberg Rassy similalry sized.

I see Island Packets, and Westsails 42's, Gulfstars, up to 50'

Bigger boats, Deerfoot and a variety of others the manufacturers I don't know,

Hanse, Dufor, etc.

Catalina 43-47' Hunter 40-45'

Cats (I'm no expert at all on catamarans): Lagoon, FP, Seawind, Prout, Catana, don't see many of the Aussie boats but some, occasionally a Schionning, any number of homebuilt plywood tri's.

I'm not talking about the performance boats of either catagory.

[smj]

Originally Posted by wingssail

There is an almost infinate variety of sailboats passing through a port like this, monohulls and cats.



Around here I see Jeanneau 40-45', Beneteau 40-45', Halberg Rassy similalry sized.



I see Island Packets, and Westsails 42's, Gulfstars, up to 50'



Bigger boats, Deerfoot and a variety of others the manufacturers I don't know,



Hanse, Dufor, etc.



Catalina 43-47' Hunter 40-45'



Cats (I'm no expert at all on catamarans): Lagoon, FP, Seawind, Prout, Catana, don't see many of the Aussie boats but some, occasionally a Schionning, any number of homebuilt plywood tri's.



I'm not talking about the performance boats of either catagory.

Maybe I was mistaken, when you said “we find”, I thought it was from your experience,
So your basic cruising catamaran would be Lagoon, Leopard and FP. What cruising monohulls would you consider to be equal performers to the catamaran big 3?