Anyone know what type of cat this is?

[Franziska]

Hi, does anyone know what type of cat this is?


We were just leaving when they arrived, so I could not ask.



Thank you.

[senormechanico]

Kinda looks like a Leopard.
The vertical front window is the tell.

[PippaB]

Daggerboards

Maybe a C-Cat?

[Be Free Sailor]

Originally Posted by PippaB

Daggerboards

Maybe a C-Cat?

Agree - looks like a C-cat 48
https://www.comaryachts.it/c-cat-48/

[Franziska]

Thanks, yes, I do agree must have been a C-Cat.
We're sailing in the Golfo di Napoli right now, so an Italian cat is not surprising.


Thank you!

[Kinkircating]

Dagger boards aren’t the same as a CCat…

[Franziska]

Originally Posted by Kinkircating

Dagger boards aren’t the same as a CCat…

The ppicture above looks like a rendering, the actual production boat we saw might be different.

[Tupaia]

Definitely a CCat48 here is a video of #2 Yellow sail cover matches your photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=jEE7gwXAA40

[Giova]

It is a C-CAT 48
They changed daggerboards from Hull#2 after an efficiency study.
Nice, well built cat>
I visited their yard last year and I was amazed

[udyy]

It's a C-cat 48, a nice boat built by a factory with a history of unreliability. The builder, previously known as C-catamarans and now operating under Comar, did not live up to their promises and commitments. Unfortunately, my experience with purchasing hull #1 was disappointing due to these issues.

[Giova]

Hi Udyy,
Are you saying that you actually purchased Hull#1?
Can you specify which issues you faced, this would help us avoiding making mistakes.
Thank you

[udyy]

Originally Posted by Giova

Hi Udyy,
Are you saying that you actually purchased Hull#1?
Can you specify which issues you faced, this would help us avoiding making mistakes.
Thank you

I was assisting the buyer and legal team in purchasing the C-Cat 48 boat from C-Catamarans. I handled all the evaluations, inventorization, surveys, and trials. This boat, which is hull #1 (the demo boat), was offered by the shipyard with a refit, warranty, and other items. There was a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) signed between the buyer and the shipyard, which requested a deposit.

When it came to finalizing the agreement, it was discovered that the shipyard, Comar, was not the actual seller and did not have a free title. The unknown Italian company which the shipyard wanted to appoint as seller in the agreement, had the title leaned to a financing company. The shipyard wanted the funds in advance to release the title but refused to provide an escrow facility or guarantee such payment. They claimed that without prepayment, they could not fund the leasing.

Eventually, after the shipyard dragged its feet for over 2 months, it became clear to the buyer that the shipyard neither was able (due to unknown reasons) nor intended to execute the sale. The buyer issued a timed ultimatum to the shipyard, which resulted in the shipyard cancelling the sale but never returning the deposit.

It is hard to pinpoint the exact lesson learned here. When I was building my boat, I made prepayments to the shipyard, believing the money was secured by owning the hull during the building process. However, as anyone who has experienced a default by a shipyard knows, such guarantees are partial and difficult to control. These prepayments are only as secure as the shipyard's reputation and the buyer's assessment. Unfortunately, after two visits to the boat and shipyard and meetings with the owners and sales team, I did the assessment for the buyer, and the outcome was disappointing.
the whole saga is described here

[Tupaia]

Looking at the sales blurb for #1 it seems odd that after producing a "performance" vessel with the onus on sailing that they would install or spec 2 x 55hp engines. These seem like massive overkill, adding weight and increasing the fuel tankage requirements, Just seems odd.

[Giova]

Thank you Udyy for the details provided. Disappointing.
I found in Wikipedia a bit of history about COMAR and their COMET yachts if anyone interested https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(barca_a_vela)
You will need to translate but nowaday shouldn't be an issue.

[udyy]

Originally Posted by Tupaia

Looking at the sales blurb for #1 it seems odd that after producing a "performance" vessel with the onus on sailing that they would install or spec 2 x 55hp engines. These seem like massive overkill, adding weight and increasing the fuel tankage requirements, Just seems odd.

This is the first C-Cat 48 design hull, and there are aspects to appreciate as well as areas for improvement in future hulls. Hull #1 is heavier than the subsequent hulls. The C-Cat 48 is very sensitive to weight due to its narrow hulls and size. It appears that the following hulls had to be made significantly lighter by changing the top structure material to carbon.

The power specifications are somewhat unclear to me. The chosen Lombardini engines are not very common, so it is difficult to assess their reliability. However, I do appreciate the shaft design instead of sail drives. The fuel tanks are relatively small, in my opinion. This boat seems more suitable for medium-range cruising with careful loading rather than for live-aboard ocean-crossing voyages.