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Old 10-09-2024, 07:27   #76
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Re: Bali 4.0 - Owner's point of view

Hello, the cats are not different form all other sailboats.
They give you the performances that you are able to get from them!

If you don't change the props with feathering / folding ones, if you don't have good sails, if you charge your cat with tons of garbage, if you don't have enough capability / theory acknowledgment and experiences... what you can expect?

In my cruising cat (FP Venezia 42 1994, but also in the previous Lipari 41 2014) I can get very high performances, despite it is without any doubts a cruising boat.
After an hard job to move the cat to a "good condition" (props, bowsprit, sails, rigging, light weight,...) I can sail with a SOG similar (or more than) the TWS value, in any directions till 8 knots (with little waves of course).
And when the TWS is 8+ knots my problem is not to go faster, but not to be too fast for my safety and for the comfort I want; when a cruising boat goes more than 10 knots of SOG for me it is truly much than enough (also in my monos before).

For the upwind sailing, I can reach at best 110° (COG vs COG in chart plotter), with the best of my monos (X99 1985 a very sporty monotype) I can reach about 88° in almost all conditions, so the difference is huge, but with an ELAN 45 (fast cruising monohull) my best angle was about 104° (COG vs COG!) so not a big difference in my opinion, also considering the absolute comfort in my cats and the stress to sail upwind with my monos.

Cats all life long!
(If I could afford them...)
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Old 10-09-2024, 07:49   #77
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Re: Bali 4.0 - Owner's point of view

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Hello, the cats are not different form all other sailboats.
They give you the performances that you are able to get from them!

If you don't change the props with feathering / folding ones, if you don't have good sails, if you charge your cat with tons of garbage, if you don't have enough capability / theory acknowledgment and experiences... what you can expect?

In my cruising cat (FP Venezia 42 1994, but also in the previous Lipari 41 2014) I can get very high performances, despite it is without any doubts a cruising boat.
After an hard job to move the cat to a "good condition" (props, bowsprit, sails, rigging, light weight,...) I can sail with a SOG similar (or more than) the TWS value, in any directions till 8 knots (with little waves of course).
And when the TWS is 8+ knots my problem is not to go faster, but not to be too fast for my safety and for the comfort I want; when a cruising boat goes more than 10 knots of SOG for me it is truly much than enough (also in my monos before).

For the upwind sailing, I can reach at best 110° (COG vs COG in chart plotter), with the best of my monos (X99 1985 a very sporty monotype) I can reach about 88° in almost all conditions, so the difference is huge, but with an ELAN 45 (fast cruising monohull) my best angle was about 104° (COG vs COG!) so not a big difference in my opinion, also considering the absolute comfort in my cats and the stress to sail upwind with my monos.

Cats all life long!
(If I could afford them...)
In my experience, sea state is the determining factor for how close to the wind you can sail any boat. A 2m sea compared to glass flat makes a massive difference. Also the wavelength can sometimes match the boat length and even small waves can become stoppers, particularly for very light boats.
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Old 10-09-2024, 13:59   #78
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Re: Bali 4.0 - Owner's point of view

absolutely agree
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