Best new catamaran around 38-42 ft that doesn't take 2 years to build?

[Mook1e]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

What? They all are making cats smaller than 50’. Some have new builds smaller than 40’

Lagoon 46 introduced in 2019; FP Elba 45; Bali Brand New Catspace 40, 4.5, 4.6 and last year's 4.8; Brand New Leopard 42 introduced this year just to name a few.

[dblanken]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Never heard of a Lagoon 380 capsizing..
The bulk of capsize are racing/sporty cats.. production boats capsizes are near unheard of since they started using the 50% beam-length ratio.

https://www.soundingsonline.com/news...e-proves-fatal

[Chrisatlantic]

Advantage Yacht Sales in RI has a new FP40 available for sale
978-495-2520

[more]

Originally Posted by schmidla

Quick background: I'm 34, single, been day sailing for 3-4 years on a 1979 Pearson 28 on Lake Michigan in Wisconsin. Just gave that boat away to a friend. Three years ago I started a business and have been pretty successful (no employees and totally remote) and making around $1M per year now. Became debt free late last year, at which point I also moved to Florida on the gulf coast. Now I want to get into cruising on a catamaran to live part time on and work on - won't be retiring anytime soon (but I fully plan to keep my apartment and possessions etc).

Catamaran criteria:

- New instead of used. I'll knowingly eat the depreciation, but something with a solid resale value would be a plus.

- Can handle coastal cruising, bahamas, caribbean as well as crossing an ocean. Maybe a circumnavigation one day?

- Max long term crew would be two people (myself and a girl), but for shorter stints maybe up to 4-6 people like taking my parents and/or friends on short cruises for a week or two.

- Won't take 2+ years to build. Nobody knows what the future holds, so I don't want to wait. Death or marriage could be waiting around every corner!

- If $500k is doable then awesome (Excess 11 fully loaded with cruising equipment is ~$500k). Otherwise willing to spend close to $850k or so.

- Something fun to sail is a plus, since I'm also going to be doing a large amount of day sailing.

Ideally I'd like to get a Seawind 1370 or a Balance 442, but the balance wouldn't be scheduled for delivery until 2024 and the seawind not until 2027 (both claim they plan to increase production so those dates would move up, but who knows what may happen in this crazy world in the coming years).

So, now I'm looking for something that won't take 2+ years to build. I wasn't excited about getting a "production" boat, but seems like that's going to be the only option if I want something new.

From browsing around threads, seems like:

Excess 11 (soonest delivery slot early 2022)
Leopard 42 (delivery date unsure)
Lagoon 40 or 42 (delivery date unsure)

Can these boats safely handle ocean crossings? Do they have enough storage?

I've been browsing these forums including the recent Excess thread which quickly got off topic, and seems that every person has different reasons to hate on every different type of boat. I don't need a perfect boat, just a good one that meets my criteria.

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!

https://www.nautitechcatamarans.com/en/40-open.html
Base Price Ex Works - 3 Cabins / 2 Heads 315.110,00 €
Base Price Ex Works - 4 Cabins / 2 Heads 316.650,00 €
Not balsa boat, foam vinilester

EXPLORER VERSION + 36500 €
+
Nav-Pack Cruise 12.940,00 €
+
2 x 50hp diesel engines Volvo Penta (Saildrive)
+
Delivery in La Rochelle incl. transport, launching, rigging (1 week Marina fees incl.) 3800€

For 450 000$ have good fast cat and put in boat more 50000 $ for equipment by your choice or by naked and equipment by your choice


Anchor windlass (electric) with wired remote, 1000W
Cockpit shower with hot/cold water on Stb
Two Forward pulpits with seats in teak
Davits and cleats for tender (alu white lacquered)
Mooring Kit (6 Fenders, 4 mooring lines)
Upgrade electrical system with battery for Service 2 x 12V/107Ah incl. 32A shorepower, system 230V with plugs in all cabins, saloon and galley + battery charger 40Ah + galvanic isolator
Pack USB plugs (1 double plug per cabin)
Mosquito screens for all hatches on deck
Fabric covered bed frame
FUSION audio system with 4 speakers
Cockpit table in GRP
Electrical winch for mainsail halyard at helm station Stb.
Cushions for cockpit
Gennaker reacher 70sqm incl. sheets
Bowsprit, dynema halyard, furler, blocks and stoppers for gennaker
Cockpit enclosure with doors
External sun shades for saloon windscreen with opening
Electrical sea water pump

Nav-Pack Cruise 12.940,00 €
2 x B&G Triton Displays (1 x per helmstation) with Speed-, Depth-, Wind-Transducer

Chartplotter functionality on B&G Zeus 9" at nav station
B&G Autopilot, B&G Autopilot control unit (stb helmstation)
B&G V90 VHF incl. Antenna (nav station)
B&G AIS Transmitter/Receiver
B&G H50 wireless VHF unit (stb helmstation)
Nav-Pack Advanced 14.940,00 €
includes Nav-Pack Cruise plus additional
1 x extra B&G Autopilot control unit (port helmstation)
NMEA Connector for PC at nav station
B&G Forward scan
B&G 4G Radar antenna
Pre installation for TV (antenna incl. plug) in saloon

[Redreuben]

Death can’t be avoided but marriage can be.
Your an earner, they will throw themselves at you.
Be strong. [emoji106]

[sailjumanji]

You could try to find a Seawind 1260. That model has been out since late 2018. However, you just don't see many 1160 and larger Seawinds on the market. Funny that the last used 1160 and 1190 that I know sold, were gone within weeks of owners notifying members on the Seawind owners Facebook that they were for sale. But a 1260 would fit your criteria, be a newer-design model, have to be relatively new as well since they've only been in production about three years.

Your pick of the 1370 is the longest lead time of the fleet. Partially due to the molds still being built.

[LoudMusic]

I wonder if you could buy someone's place in line on a build that is already in production.

[more]

Originally Posted by LoudMusic

I wonder if you could buy someone's place in line on a build that is already in production.

possible find

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li...rtByPriceAsc|0

[AngusMcDoon]

This is at the bottom end of the required size range and will be within budget. Building for late 2022 at the moment...

https://www.broadblue.com/broadblue-385s/

[stefnieman]

Originally Posted by schmidla

Quick background: I'm 34, single, been day sailing for 3-4 years on a 1979 Pearson 28 on Lake Michigan in Wisconsin. Just gave that boat away to a friend. Three years ago I started a business and have been pretty successful (no employees and totally remote) and making around $1M per year now. Became debt free late last year, at which point I also moved to Florida on the gulf coast. Now I want to get into cruising on a catamaran to live part time on and work on - won't be retiring anytime soon (but I fully plan to keep my apartment and possessions etc).

Catamaran criteria:

- New instead of used. I'll knowingly eat the depreciation, but something with a solid resale value would be a plus.

- Can handle coastal cruising, bahamas, caribbean as well as crossing an ocean. Maybe a circumnavigation one day?

- Max long term crew would be two people (myself and a girl), but for shorter stints maybe up to 4-6 people like taking my parents and/or friends on short cruises for a week or two.

- Won't take 2+ years to build. Nobody knows what the future holds, so I don't want to wait. Death or marriage could be waiting around every corner!

- If $500k is doable then awesome (Excess 11 fully loaded with cruising equipment is ~$500k). Otherwise willing to spend close to $850k or so.

- Something fun to sail is a plus, since I'm also going to be doing a large amount of day sailing.

Ideally I'd like to get a Seawind 1370 or a Balance 442, but the balance wouldn't be scheduled for delivery until 2024 and the seawind not until 2027 (both claim they plan to increase production so those dates would move up, but who knows what may happen in this crazy world in the coming years).

So, now I'm looking for something that won't take 2+ years to build. I wasn't excited about getting a "production" boat, but seems like that's going to be the only option if I want something new.

From browsing around threads, seems like:

Excess 11 (soonest delivery slot early 2022)
Leopard 42 (delivery date unsure)
Lagoon 40 or 42 (delivery date unsure)

Can these boats safely handle ocean crossings? Do they have enough storage?

I've been browsing these forums including the recent Excess thread which quickly got off topic, and seems that every person has different reasons to hate on every different type of boat. I don't need a perfect boat, just a good one that meets my criteria.

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!

Dear Schmidla,

For me there is only one Catamaran I would consider: Outremer!!
The rest are floating caravans. Any Cat without daggerboards is a no no.
Good luck!!
Kindest Regards,
Steven

[BYA2014]

As you're probably finding out, not all boats of the same size have the same room or volume--and then there's all of the other factors.
To see the start of a table with competitive comparisons, take a look at:

Competitive Analysis.

On the features comparisons, use the values in place, or rate with your own results to customize your own priorities.
Included, There is a spread sheet page with volume comparisons as well. Interesting when you compare cost per foot, vs cost per sq. ft. of living space.
This is at least a start of getting some subjective comparisons.

Fountaine Pajot 40 (Isla 40, or used Lucia 40--check out the volume comparisons above) would seem to meet your requirements.

[LoudMusic]

Originally Posted by more

possible find

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/core/li...rtByPriceAsc|0

Yep. I figure there are likely more. It might be worth contacting manufacturers or brokers and have them put the word out for you that you're willing to negotiate for their production position, or boat that is already in production. Which would obviously push them back in the line. I bet there are even people who are looking to get out of it before the boat even completes - MAYBE even taking a loss, but of course they wouldn't tell you that

[BYA2014]

Consider contacting Dealer for your favorite choices and see what's possible--one idea that works, make a deposit on a boat not too far our, and include a "right of first refusal". Right now there are too many casually interested buyers, and dealers need some level of commitment to put you at head of the line.

Also larger dealers have more boats on order for possible changing circumstances--right now, for instance, at ACY you could put an order in with a right of first refusal, for a Isla 40 scheduled for 12 month delivery. Maybe get it sooner, but not so far out when all is said and done--Large successful dealers have earlier slots available than the MF next available slots.
Give it a try... eric@atlantic-cruising.com
Again, check out site comparing volume instead of length--this boat has equal or more living area than some 44's. VOLUME COMPARISON HERE.

[MartyB]

I have a FP Astrea 42 with delivery in La Rochelle in September of this year. I may want to delay another year for business reasons. If your interested and want to talk, let me know...
martin@expertease.ca

[Gerrit Coetzee]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

What? They all are making cats smaller than 50’. Some have new builds smaller than 40’

12 out of the 15 Catamaran manufacturers in South Africa does not build under 50'.

Leopard etc. are one of the few that does.