Better Cats for living aboard?

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

The inner investor in me said what we have now is the better option and the REAL numbers support this.

*Consider that if we purchased a sailing catamaran with similar levels of liveaboard comfort it would likely cost close to 20x more than our powered vessel.
*It would also cost a lifetime of lost years working to purchase
*working would mean parking in a marina and more expense - we haven't been on a marina berth in 3 years
*buying the powered vessel meant we could retire young and live our life debt free without selling assets and income.
*the difference in price between the two buys a lifetime of fuel and maintenance.

So which do you have now?

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by LeeV

So which do you have now?

Really?
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[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

The inner investor in me said what we have now is the better option and the REAL numbers support this.

*Consider that if we purchased a sailing catamaran with similar levels of liveaboard comfort it would likely cost close to 20x more than our powered vessel.
*It would also cost a lifetime of lost years working to purchase
*working would mean parking in a marina and more expense - we haven't been on a marina berth in 3 years
*buying the powered vessel meant we could retire young and live our life debt free without selling assets and income.
*the difference in price between the two buys a lifetime of fuel and maintenance.

Are you comparing brand new prices in each instance?

[Factor]

Originally Posted by sailingfarmer

Best cats to live aboard? I would say Siamese or Burmese

That’s so funny. Never heard anyone use that line before. So original and hilarious.

When people say mono should I say stop getting herpes?

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Are you comparing brand new prices in each instance?

Comparing mid 2000 models.
Ours had an entire deck up rebuild and repower between 2003 - 2005 and then was very lightly used for the following years.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

*Consider that if we purchased a sailing catamaran with similar levels of liveaboard comfort it would likely cost close to 20x more than our powered vessel.
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Correction, closer to 15 x
Still a lifetime supply of diesel and maintenance in the difference.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Comparing mid 2000 models.
Ours had an entire deck up rebuild and repower between 2003 - 2005 and then was very lightly used for the following years.

Just to be clear, your boat is a mid 2000 model, or an older boat that had a refit, that you're comparing to much newer boats?

Or to make it simpler, what year was your boat launched?

[LeeV]

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Simple: I saw ex trawler; thought you may have something different.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Just to be clear, your boat is a mid 2000 model, or an older boat that had a refit, that you're comparing to much newer boats?

Or to make it simpler, what year was your boat launched?

Does it matter?
The hull is sound, that is why it was chosen as a doner hull and everything apart from the hull, prop and rudder was replaced in mid 2000.

If you got a 30 year old windspeed cat as an example, cut off the old cabin and deck, totally gutted the interior and rebuilt and modernised it in its entirety
Replaced rig, sails, winches, wiring, steering, electronic, engines, windows etc etc etc would you still say it was a 30 year old boat?

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Does it matter?
The hull is sound, that is why it was chosen as a doner hull and everything apart from the hull, prop and rudder was replaced in mid 2000.

If you got a 30 year old windspeed cat as an example, cut off the old cabin and deck, totally gutted the interior and rebuilt and modernised it in its entirety
Replaced rig, sails, winches, wiring, steering, electronic, engines, windows etc etc etc would you still say it was a 30 year old boat?

Of course it matters. It's hardly comparing apples with apples is it?

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Of course it matters. It's hardly comparing apples with apples is it?

How could it ever be possible when one is a powered monohull and the other is a masted catamaran.
It will never be apples with apples.

But it will be comfortable boat A) costing $x vs comfortable boat B) costing $x + $$$$$$$

Getting back to the example given..

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If you got a 30 year old windspeed cat as an example, cut off the old cabin and deck, totally gutted the interior and rebuilt and modernised it in its entirety
Replaced rig, sails, winches, wiring, steering, electronic, engines, windows etc etc etc would you still say it was a 30 year old boat?

Do you still consider that to be a 30 year old boat?

[alctel]

I have a medium sized monohull but it sounds like you may be better off with a powerboat, as others have mentioned.

If you want to do lots of day trips, then you'll probably be motoring a lot anyway in order to get places. I don't know what the wind is like in your area but the one thing about sailing you gotta have is patience. Which doesn't lend itself super well to day trips to places.

Powerboats also have waaaay more space than sailing vessels, and that sounds like it would be very important to you.

As for fuel costs, an older style trawler often doesn't use that much fuel, esp if you are not ripping around with the throttle open.

Basically, unless you want to get a boat in order to *sail* a lot (and it doesn't sound like you do which is totally fine!) then a powerboat would suit you a lot better I think.

Maybe go out on a bunch of boats and try them out.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

How could it ever be possible when one is a powered monohull and the other is a masted catamaran.
It will never be apples with apples.

But it will be comfortable boat A) costing $x vs comfortable boat B) costing $x + $$$$$$$

Getting back to the example given..



Do you still consider that to be a 30 year old boat?

Yes, because it IS a 30 year old boat.

Of course there are cheaper, better value ways to go cruising compared to buying a near new production boat. But these will invariably involve compromises in some area.

In my case I chose to build a boat, which resulted in owning a boat for a fraction of what a similar type of production boat would cost (if you could buy one). Obviously the downside was that I had 47 months of work to get there.

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Does it matter?
The hull is sound, that is why it was chosen as a doner hull and everything apart from the hull, prop and rudder was replaced in mid 2000.

If you got a 30 year old windspeed cat as an example, cut off the old cabin and deck, totally gutted the interior and rebuilt and modernised it in its entirety
Replaced rig, sails, winches, wiring, steering, electronic, engines, windows etc etc etc would you still say it was a 30 year old boat?

Ours is a 1983 that we striped to bare metal inside/out and replaced with all new everything....but it is still a 1983 boat and the listing price will reflect that when we go to sell. Compare to a similar boat built in the 2000s with worn out everything and sale price will be way less just because of the hull number.

It may be as good as new in your (and mine) mind, but that doesn't change the boat's age.

How does this relate to the OPs question?

Matt

[valhalla360]

You said, "investor" and "cruising boat" in the same sentence...that's funny.

You still haven't told us how you plan to use the boat. As others have suggested, if it's not going to be traveling long distances under power, fuel costs won't be a big deal.

Bigger cats are a little harder to find slips for but not enough to worry about.

Purchase price for similar space (not necessarily length) of similar vintage, similar condition boats, won't be drastically different.