Catamaran Capsizes in Galveston Bay

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Joli

Around here we are friendly to multi's, we let them come play in our regattas and happily "pluck the crews out of the water" when required. Obviously that is not the case in your area, witness QCYC, CYCA or RYCT.

QCYC - If you mean the gladstone race - it was the multis that chose not to start with the monos. The mono start increasingly was further and further off shore in Bramble bay as race monos got deeper and deeper and some years ago the MYCQ decided that there was more in it for our sponsors to start from Manly and start much closer to shore/viewing areas etc. The QCYC does in fact run a number of races with mono/multi mixed fleets. The Surf to City and the Bribie Cup to name but two.

CYCA - even the archetype Tweed Jacket wearing gentleman's club has announced that they are exploring a multi fleet, though I will believe it when I see it.

RYCT - Hardly in my area, hobart is 1800 kms away, Chicago to where this day race cat flipped is probably about the same.

But in any event, any club can run any races they like for any boats they like. Matter for them.

[Joli]

Or maybe they aren't sinking.

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

And maybe you're in deeper water.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Joli

I guess that is why we we don't see things the same way. I've seen dozens of multi's upside down and no sunken monos. Maybe the folks here take better care of systems below the waterline because we have a season that requires annual haul outs. We have time to service and maintain seacocks and hoses.

While I find it hard to believe, I'll accept that maybe you haven't seen one. (Deep water?) Ever HEARD of a mono sinking? Or are you really saying that where you are, monohulls NEVER sink?

Anytime a cat turns over anywhere on the planet, we'll read about it here within 30 seconds. (You and Catty must work shifts to cover the news 24/7.)

But surely, even blinkered as you are, you must have heard of at least ONE monohull that sank?

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Joli

Or maybe they aren't sinking.

Amazing. You're actually saying monohulls never sink.

Obviously further discussion with you is pointless.

[catty]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Then there's the Queen's Birthday storm. No cat's flipped, but several mono's rolled repeatedly, and one sank with the loss of 3 lives. Draw your own conclusions.

Yes, if I remember correctly the catamaran Ramtha survived unmaned with no sail set.
Richard Woods cat survived unmaned with no sail set.

Etc etc. Are we seeing a trend here?
Is the sail the problem?

Regards

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Factor

QCYC - If you mean the gladstone race - it was the multis that chose not to start with the monos. The mono start increasingly was further and further off shore in Bramble bay as race monos got deeper and deeper and some years ago the MYCQ decided that there was more in it for our sponsors to start from Manly and start much closer to shore/viewing areas etc. The QCYC does in fact run a number of races with mono/multi mixed fleets. The Surf to City and the Bribie Cup to name but two.

CYCA - even the archetype Tweed Jacket wearing gentleman's club has announced that they are exploring a multi fleet, though I will believe it when I see it.

RYCT - Hardly in my area, hobart is 1800 kms away, Chicago to Where this day race cat flipped is probably about the same.

But in any event, any club can run any races they like for any boats they like. Matter for them.

A mate used to race his Chamberlin cat in Hobart, pretty sure it was with the RYCT. (Used to flog the mono's too.)

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by catty

Yes, if I remember correctly the catamaran Ramtha survived unmaned with no sail set.
Richard Woods cat survived unmaned with no sail set.

Etc etc. Are we seeing a trend here?

Regards

Yes, in survival conditions all you need to do is drop the sails, and a catamaran will keep you safe.

BTW, what boat do you have?

You claim it's a cat, but then tell us that cats are unsafe, slow, don't sail to windward, uncomfortable, expensive to buy and own... etc etc etc...

Yet you still own one?

WHY?


Why not sell your cat and buy one of those excellent unsinkable mono's Joli has? And end up millions of dollars in front?

[smj]

Originally Posted by callistov42

But yesterday was still, hazy/foggy and very little wind on Galveston Bay! There were no storms and no high winds at all. Something doesn't make sense here!

This happened on Saturday. There were some pretty strong breezes on the West end of Galveston and Windguru called for gusts up to 25 kts.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Joli

I guess that is why we we don't see things the same way. I've seen dozens of multi's upside down and no sunken monos. Maybe the folks here take better care of systems below the waterline because we have a season that requires annual haul outs. We have time to service and maintain seacocks and hoses.

What kind of multis have you seen upside down, racing or cruising. We usually don't consider a Hobie cat or tornado to be a good example of a cruising cat in the south.

[Joli]

I don't think we see eye to eye CC44. But thats OK, have fun sailing, better not race though, odds seem to change don't they?

[downunder]

Originally Posted by catty

Mmmm, still not a lot of facts.

Whilst on the subject of catamaran "problems" have you seen this.......Fears for missing yachtsman | News | NT News | Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia | ntnews.com.au

Its not looking good for this cat sailor.
Regards

Was it a powerboat??

There was a small not well considered brand of outboard powercat that capsized on a bar in NSW a couple of months back that media referred to as catamaran capsize,

It was a catamaran but certainly not a crusing sail cat.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Joli

I don't think we see eye to eye CC44. But thats OK, have fun sailing, better not race though, odds eem to change don't they?

No the type boat is what changes.

[Joli]

We'll, lets see, all of the F's, R33 (that's a given though, it can't leave the dock without falling over), Atlantic, Hammerhead, all the Stelleto's and a few kit boats. Mind you, these are local boats.

Originally Posted by smj

What kind of multis have you seen upside down, racing or cruising. We usually don't consider a Hobie cat or tornado to be a good example of a cruising cat in the south.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Joli

We'll, lets see, all of the F's, R33 (that's a given though, it can't leave the dock without falling over), Atlantic, Hammerhead, all the Stelleto's and a few kit boats. Mind you, these are local boats.

You've mentioned all flat out performance racing boats and a performance cruiser. Oh yeah, the f boats and hammerhead are trimarans not catamarans.

[DotDun]

Originally Posted by Joli

How about the Prout that capsized at anchor earlier this year or the Atlantic 57 or the Atlantic 42 or the FP 35 or this boat in Galvaston Bay...

Race result are simply indicators of the result we can expect to see in the future. As more and more multis are built and sold we'll see more capsizes.

Around here we are friendly to multi's, we let them come play in our regattas and happily "pluck the crews out of the water" when required. Obviously that is not the case in your area, witness QCYC, CYCA or RYCT.

So how about the Chicago - Mac race this year. How many multihulls flipped? NONE How many monohulls flipped? ONE

Maybe race results are indicators.