Cheap Multis and Projects

[Sand crab]

This one looks good.
Piver AA36 Trimaran

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by MVLillyBelle

Speaking of bargain-priced project boats, my son just bought a 12-meter Sunstream cat in Norfolk, VA. He said the boat itself is in decent condition, but both sail drives are inop, one with the head pulled. We are brainstorming how to get it down to Vero Beach, FL. The leading option is to lash the 11' RIB with a 20hp 4-stroke between the hulls astern and motor her out of the marina and into open water, then (hopefully) sail her around the Outer Banks. Anyone have any experience with such a jury rig?

I think that will make it down the intercoastal. If not I'd drop the rig and take the IC anyway. And/or can you jury rig a mount for that outboard on that cat?. Why not get one motor installed there? Lots of rebuilt motors on the web. Ebay, craigslist, etc.

[MVLillyBelle]

thanks for the vote of confidence. I started my own thread on the topic to elicit additional ideas/opinions. Most think we're nuts for even considering taking such a goofy rig so far, but to respond to your specific suggestion, my son is not crazy about the idea of sleeping over the diesels (they are under the bunks in the aft cabins) and was seriously entertaining the idea of repowering with outboards anyway. If we could find a fabricator in the Norfolk area who could meet our time/money constraints, we would probably go ahead and give the outboard solution a go from jump street....the trip would certainly provide a thorough shakedown. But that being unlikely, he has better facilities and cheaper berthing available on the other end in FL. We do intend to troubleshoot the one complete (not already disassembled) diesel and see if it can be resurrected for reasonable cost/effort/time.

[MVLillyBelle]

thanks for the vote of confidence. I started my own thread on the topic to elicit additional ideas/opinions. Most think we're nuts for even considering taking such a goofy rig so far, but to respond to your specific suggestion, my son is not crazy about the idea of sleeping over the diesels (they are under the bunks in the aft cabins) and was seriously entertaining the idea of repowering with outboards anyway. If we could find a fabricator in the Norfolk area who could meet our time/money constraints, we would probably go ahead and give the outboard solution a go from jump street....the trip would certainly provide a thorough shakedown. But that being unlikely, he has better facilities and cheaper berthing available on the other end in FL. We do intend to troubleshoot the one complete (not already disassembled) diesel and see if it can be resurrected for reasonable cost/effort/time.

[CraigDC]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

This little one is really cool and only $20,000.
1999 Custom Sport Cruising Catamaran sailboat for sale in Maryland

This one is very interesting and I had a long talk with Mike (the seller) and he talked me out of it due to the distance from me (Hawaii) and the fact that the design is unproven when it comes to ocean crossing.

This got me to thinking that the best approach for me might be building a basic "platform" that:
1) design is a proven ocean crosser that provides better than average performance,
2) reasonable load carrying capability,
3) provides headroom in the hulls,
4) can accommodate 4 people with at least one double berth,
5) is an open, foam-panel deck design that would allow me to add a nacelle/cuddy at some point in the future (should time and funds allow),
6) between 30 and 35 feet long,
7) preferably with a parallel rig (to reduce cost and complexity with no performance sacrifice),
8) can be built in sections to allow for a remote building site,
9) fast build time,
10) lightweight to allow for sailing in light winds (the Doldroms).

The closest I have found so far is a cross between these 2 Bernd Kohler designs: DUO105page and DUO1000intro

I've posted a similar message on his group and I'm waiting for a response.

If any of you know of any other designs I should consider, please let me know.

Feedback also requested!

Thanks again!

Craig

[snort]

Originally Posted by CraigDC

This one is very interesting and I had a long talk with Mike (the seller) and he talked me out of it due to the distance from me (Hawaii) and the fact that the design is unproven when it comes to ocean crossing.

This got me to thinking that the best approach for me might be building a basic "platform" that:
1) design is a proven ocean crosser that provides better than average performance,
2) reasonable load carrying capability,
3) provides headroom in the hulls,
4) can accommodate 4 people with at least one double berth,
5) is an open, foam-panel deck design that would allow me to add a nacelle/cuddy at some point in the future (should time and funds allow),
6) between 30 and 35 feet long,
7) preferably with a parallel rig (to reduce cost and complexity with no performance sacrifice),
8) can be built in sections to allow for a remote building site,
9) fast build time,
10) lightweight to allow for sailing in light winds (the Doldroms).

The closest I have found so far is a cross between these 2 Bernd Kohler designs: DUO105page and DUO1000intro

I've posted a similar message on his group and I'm waiting for a response.

If any of you know of any other designs I should consider, please let me know.

Feedback also requested!

Thanks again!

Craig

The Kohlers are wood/epoxy with fiberglass. Have you looked at Wallers? They are as well, and might be more up your alley as far as capability.
Mike Waller Yacht Design - Waller 1100 Catamaran - plywood cruising cat for amateur builders

[Kelldog]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

This one looks good.
Piver AA36 Trimaran

I know the owner of this Trimaran He is a licensed 6 pack skipper and we just had a couple of people onboard for an overnight charter. The boat is one of the best Pivers out there bar none! I say this because I have sailed on the boat many times and he is a good friend. If I could, I would buy it right now! By the way... I have a 30 ft Cross trimaran and may be interested in selling it. It is in need of some TLC pretty much cosmetic in nature. I have pics in my profile I think

KellyD.

[Sand crab]

Not exactly cheap or project but seems like a good boat.
2007 Custom Simmons 35' Catamaran sailboat for sale in North Carolina

[Pat Ross]

Piver 37 cheap for all you get $17.5K

1968 Piver sailboat for sale in Florida

[motogon]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

Not exactly cheap or project but seems like a good boat.
2007 Custom Simmons 35' Catamaran sailboat for sale in North Carolina

$100K for homebuilt boat unknown build quality?

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Pat Ross

Piver 37 cheap for all you get $17.5K

1968 Piver sailboat for sale in Florida

Listed as "good" condition. For that age I would say better than that.

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

Not exactly cheap or project but seems like a good boat.
2007 Custom Simmons 35' Catamaran sailboat for sale in North Carolina

Very nice.

Thanks for doing all this leg work.

I hope you never buy a boat.................

[tnelson101]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

Holy WTF Batman. And designed by Kurt Hughes.
32' power catamaran

I saw this moored in San Luis. Plenty of Seagull excrement, the hulls were simple fiber glass with probably not much bulkhead to them. Looked like the could crack off in a wave. Flat water run about maybe?

[melissajenks]

Can I just say how much I love this thread? It does need a companion thread: "Convince your partner to buy a cheap multi project!"

I'm the most interested in this Wharram: 1978 Narai

Mainly because I'm in love with Wharram designs. They catch the imagination in a way that these other boxy custom multis don't, IMHO. The design of a lot of these boats just makes the heart sink. A small cheap project multi that's not hideous I suppose is too much to ask.

But at that price something must be wrong with that Narai (other than being in Tonga). Has anyone looked seriously at her?

Keep them coming, though. And if anyone cares, it's nice to copy and paste a phone number for a craigslist ad for after they expire--I imagine a lot of those boats aren't sold even after they expire. (My habit is to bookmark them with the phone number in the bookmark itself so once they expire I still have contact info. I hate lost chances.)

M.

[Sand crab]

I just replied to your PM. I forgot to mention that what is wrong with the boat mostly is it's in Tonga but I see that you get that. It's a funny thing about faraway paradises, it is a really bad place to sell a boat. It dramatically affects the price.