Corsair Tri’s - Coastal Cruising and the odd crossing?

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by smj

And they can sink

Sure they can as can most anything.

Here is a Bristol 27 that a young man bought for $1,000 and crossed several oceans on. It was loaded with electronics. Look closely.

He gave me the idea for the Raspberry Pi Chart plotter /AIS

He didn't just drive the boat either while cruising. He worked on OpenCPN software and developed the pypilot software. You have to do something to keep your mind occupied while cruising

He "told" me once (on CF) about dealing with winds near 55 knots after getting delayed and leaving New Zealand I think it was

https://towndock.net/shippingnews/se...-and-alexandra

https://svcrystalblues.blogspot.com/...ne-around.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbezaHPm_MU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TdXImMFTZk

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by thomm225

SNIP

Sailboatdata tells you just about everything you need to know

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/bristol-27

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/corsair-31f-31

Then there are the recommended Offshore Boats list

Mahina Expeditions - Selecting A Boat for Offshore Cruising

No sailboatdata doesn't tell you just about everything you need to know and it is silly to say that it does.

Since the recommended Offshore Boats list has no trimarans listed I have to question just how complete it is. Ever since I was in college tris from the likes of Brown, Cross, and Piver have been crossing oceans with impunity. The failure of that list to mention the catamarans that have crossed more oceans than any other design just shows how little the author knows about boats. Bonus question, what cat am I talking about.

I did quickly scan the sailboatdata site and compared a Briston 27 to a boat my Dad use to own and I spend lots of time sailing on it when I was a kid in high school; the H-28. Maybe I am too old school but I still go with established designs. The H-28 is very comparable to the Briston 27 in lots of areas like size and general design. Thing is it beats the pants off the Briston 27 in the comfort rating and is significantly better in tendency to capsize. Hard to come up with a better designer than L. Francis.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Maybe I am too old school but I still go with established designs.

Nice.

With a Capsize Screening Formula of 1.71 the Bristol 27 rates very well. Anyone can look up ancient boats and get a better number, but let's be practical

Most boats build these days come now where near the rating of a Bristol 27.

And the Bristol 27's design is nothing new. Are you new to sailing?

The Bristol 27 Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org

[smj]

[ Bonus question, what cat am I talking about.




The Prout

[smj]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Sure they can as can most anything.

Here is a Bristol 27 that a young man bought for $1,000 and crossed several oceans on. It was loaded with electronics. Look closely.

He gave me the idea for the Raspberry Pi Chart plotter /AIS

He didn't just drive the boat either while cruising. He worked on OpenCPN software and developed the pypilot software. You have to do something to keep your mind occupied while cruising

He "told" me once (on CF) about dealing with winds near 55 knots after getting delayed and leaving New Zealand I think it was

https://towndock.net/shippingnews/se...-and-alexandra

https://svcrystalblues.blogspot.com/...ne-around.html

Don’t think you could sink an Fboat. You could chop it into little pieces but the majority of the pieces would float.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by thomm225

SNIP
Are you new to sailing?

SNIP

Are you avoiding everything in my post about how tris designed by Brown, Cross, and Piver have been crossing oceans for well over 40 years and your so called expert sources FAIL to mention them; or that your so called expert sources FAIL to mention the cat design that has done the most ocean crossing in the list of blue water cats.

Your ignorance of the history of Water boats">blue water boats is shocking.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by smj

[ Bonus question, what cat am I talking about.




The Prout

You want questions?

do a few of these. See below links.

I had to stop "discussing" sailing on CF for a few weeks to learn this and pass two exams even though the last time I was a full time tech we were using DOS 3.2

CompTIA A+ 220-1001 | passCompTIA

CompTIA A+ 220-1002 | passCompTIA


https://comptiaexamtest.com/A+220-1001/

https://comptiaexamtest.com/A+220-1002/

[smj]

Originally Posted by thomm225

You want questions?



do a few of these. See below links.



I had to stop "discussing" sailing on CF for a few weeks to learn this and pass two exams even though I the last time I was a full time tech we were using DOS 3.2



CompTIA A+ 220-1001 | passCompTIA



CompTIA A+ 220-1002 | passCompTIA







https://comptiaexamtest.com/A+220-1001/



https://comptiaexamtest.com/A+220-1002/

No, you misunderstood, I was answering Toms question, and I believe the Prout catamarans have more successful blue water miles on them than any other production sailboat, multihull or monohull.

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by smj

No, you misunderstood, I was answering Toms question

It's all about the view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGmW...ahg2jw&index=1

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by smj

[ Bonus question, what cat am I talking about.




The Prout

Got me on that one, I had forgotten the Prouts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wharram

[smj]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Got me on that one, I had forgotten the Prouts.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wharram

The Prouts and Wharram’s are probably neck and neck

[Factor]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Fboats are slow compared to beach cats.

but fast compared to almost everything else

Small full keel cruising boats are slow compared to Fboats

They are slow compared to almost everything else

Slow is good when the weather is bad.

Rubbish, have you ever been at sea in rough weather. You can slow a fast boar down you cant speed a slow boat up.

Heavy is more stable in bad weather

Rubbish. moving is better than stationary and allows for some control and alignment to waves etc

Slow, heavy, full keel sailboats are safer than light weight and fast Fboats in bad weather.

Rubbish - see above and add in that a boat that cant sink is ultimately better than a boat that can

They can heave too, they can lay a hull, or they can run........and in conditions that would overwork an Fboat crew the Bristol crew would be at rest

Why cant an Fboat heave to. I have heaved to on cats tris monos f boats, anything with a sail.

Keep trolling buddy - I will keep responding with facts and experience.

[Training Wheels]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Heavy means strong in the case of a Bristol 27.



Heavy also means safe as compared to some boats.



Fboats are slow compared to beach cats.



Small full keel cruising boats are slow compared to Fboats



Slow is good when the weather is bad.



Heavy is more stable in bad weather



Slow, heavy, full keel sailboats are safer than light weight and fast Fboats in bad weather.



They can heave too, they can lay a hull, or they can run........and in conditions that would overwork an Fboat crew the Bristol crew would be at rest

No it doesn’t, and you don’t have a clue. You really should get some experience sailing instead of putting out your opinions about things you know nothing. Oh, that’s right, you raced beach cats so you know all there is about sailing. Please take your ego elsewhere.

[Sailing Savana]

http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html[/QUOTE]

Thx for sharing was great reading

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by thomm225

Heavy is more stable in bad weather

Slow, heavy, full keel sailboats are safer than light weight and fast Fboats in bad weather.

They can heave too, they can lay a hull, or they can run........and in conditions that would overwork an Fboat crew the Bristol crew would be at rest

I'm not going to get in the middle of this FBoat argument, because from other threads I know that you will go on and on and on, sometimes beyond the point of any logic.

But your points there about "slow, heavy, full keel sailboats" being safer in bad weather is now quite old, outdated thinking and information.

The Queen's Birthday Weekend Storm in the Pacific in 1999 was the final nail in the coffin for that type of thinking.

It was the heavy, slow monohulls that got slammed (some of the lighter, faster monohulls were able to avoid the worst). And the lighter (by comparison) multihulls were the ones that survived the best.

Yes they still got a kicking too, because these were very extreme conditions, but they remained upright whereas most of the monohulls were rolled multiple times, lost masts, injured their crew, etc.

Catamaran Ramtha was abandoned only to be recovered later in surprisingly ok condition.

In case you are not familiar with it you can read more about this event here (and more on google):

Multihull Dynamics, Inc. - News Article

https://www.rutgerson.se/discover/qu...irthday-storm/

In fact one of the safest boats in a survival storm at sea is a Wharram - a Catamaran that is lightweight, often home built, and tied together with bits of string (some would say ). In any case it's about as opposite as possible to a "slow, heavy, full keel sailboat".

Here is an amazing shot of the above mentioned Ramtha in 50-70kn and mountainous seas. She probably shouldn't have been abandoned, it was more dangerous to get off than to stay onboard.





And for good measure here's a Wharram in some big seas during normal cruising in the Med. Look at how flat, comfortable, and stable she is. And then just imagine how badly a "slow, heavy, full keel sailboat" would be rolling around in those same conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBlV2sRDOZs