forward cockpits and picture windows

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by Palarran

Someday we will read about it without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

the boat spun head on to the waves where another breaking wave stove in one forward salon window and broke the other.

That didn't take nearly as long as I was thinking it would.

[tp12]

Originally Posted by LeeV

ROTFLMAO!

You and me both, Lee! Crikey...

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by GRIT

I have balance issues, and this is the prime reason we built with a forward cockpit. It's small, but functional, 1200mm x 1500mm, and should keep me from taking unscheduled swims.

The aft cockpit, living area, and forward cockpit are all on the same level. I'd have to fall "up" 1000 mm, and across the deck, to end up swimming.


Cheers.
Paul.

Makes sense. I checked out your photos, good looking boat! Whose design is it? Kurt Hughes maybe?

[Dulcesuenos]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Pot, meet Kettle...

Jim

You should talk
You chime in on dang near everything,

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

You should talk
You chime in on dang near everything,

Respectfully, I think the difference is a level of respect, e.g., "Just love threads like this where everyone has an opinion, is an expert and they just got to share it,, this place is absolutely no different then Facebook lmao :-)"

That statement didn't help the OP or me at all regarding the topic. Since you obviously have no affection for Facebook, and you liken this forum to it, why bother?

To the OP and the topic at hand, we kept our trimaran at a marina with only 1 other tri, @ 4 cats and several hundred monos. We had our Portlights rebedded as both were leaking. I just spoke to on the the tech staff, and they said they work on cracked, stoved in, and leaking windows more than any service item.

I always wondered how the vertical windows on Lagoons fared; friends that own them said they have the same issues. My 2 monos leaked, come to think of it!

I would NEVER post that 100% of any boat has a specific issue unless I had the proof to back it up. As of now, none of the fwd cockpits have cause a sinking, and as for the windows, well, ask at your local marina - they work on more boats than any of us will ever own.

[boatman61]

Some base their opinions on a knowledge of the demonstrable power of the open ocean..
Expertise not required..
If a cruise ship can have its windows stove in by the sea, which sit at a height greater than many catamaran or monos masts, to me it is only reasonable that the same is entirely possible on a catamaran or mono..
Lightness and buoyancy are little use when a sea dumps on you from above.
Owners of catamarans will defend their boats.. its natural.. the only other option is to state what they really think and devalue their investment.
I have bought enough boats to know how evasive owners can be.. and in some cases will lie through their teeth to get a sale.. I have also been hired to deliver some of these boats that were to be honest unfit for purpose.. But I am a lucky skipper.. so far..
Just accept it is possible..
Is it likely.. Probably not given due dilligence with regard to season, lattitude and weather.
Just accept nothing is impossible as sailors have been learning, often to their cost through the centuries..
Strength depends on an awareness of ones weaknesses.

[danielamartindm]

FWIW, I watched a video this morning of a huge cargo ship in survival conditions. At one point a mountainous wave crashed into its very high bridge deck. One of its forward-facing windows was shattered, and the bridge deck was flooded knee-high, knocking out the electronics. Every seasoned mother's son of the crew was frightened for his life. Luckily, the storm abated and they limped back to port. Do forward facing windows on freighter bridge decks make them "unseaworthy blue water vessels?"

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Some base their opinions on a knowledge of the demonstrable power of the open ocean..
Expertise not required..
If a cruise ship can have its windows stove in by the sea, which sit at a height greater than many catamaran or monos masts, to me it is only reasonable that the same is entirely possible on a catamaran or mono..
Lightness and buoyancy are little use when a sea dumps on you from above.
Owners of catamarans will defend their boats.. its natural.. the only other option is to state what they really think and devalue their investment.
I have bought enough boats to know how evasive owners can be.. and in some cases will lie through their teeth to get a sale.. I have also been hired to deliver some of these boats that were to be honest unfit for purpose.. But I am a lucky skipper.. so far..
Just accept it is possible..
Is it likely.. Probably not given due dilligence with regard to season, lattitude and weather.
Just accept nothing is impossible as sailors have been learning, often to their cost through the centuries..
Strength depends on an awareness of ones weaknesses.

Well said; the only change I'd have made would be to say "owners of all boats will defend their boats." I've owned monos, cats and tris and loved them all. I accepted their shortcomings, knowing full well that they were still much better sailors than me! :-)

[GRIT]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Makes sense. I checked out your photos, good looking boat! Whose design is it? Kurt Hughes maybe?

Thanks for the compliment. Coming from someone who's done a fine job himself, that means something.

It's a Kurt Hughes design, as you surmised. But Kurt will be the first to tell you, the front cockpit isn't his design, though he approved the structure of the build, he dislikes front cockpits.

Cheers.
Paul.

[boatman61]

Hi Lee.. I kinda included monos and cats in the post but said cat owners because the thread is primarily about cats..
Mind.. not crazy about the doors on the Beneteau Sense either..

[LeeV]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Hi Lee.. I kinda included monos and cats in the post but said cat owners because the thread is primarily about cats..
Mind.. not crazy about the doors on the Beneteau Sense either..

I figured; no disrespect intended. We multihullers always think we're still on the defensive :-) I can still recall the NY Yacht club banning all multis!

Boats is boats! I remember being on the Pride of Baltimore II off Hatteras (where the first one went down), and laying in my bunk when the mast hit the water. Damage everywhere, unplanned, unwelcome but enlightening!

Best to you!

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Owners of catamarans will defend their boats.. its natural.. the only other option is to state what they really think and devalue their investment.

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So from this I take it that you think all catamaran owners know their boats are unseaworthy, but lie about it to protect their investment?

What an utterly stupid statement.

If this were the case, why aren't we all quietly selling our boats and buying monohulls? Let's face it, they're a dime a dozen. I could sell my boat, buy a bigger mono and put money in the bank. If I really thought that way.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

So from this I take it that you think all catamaran owners know their boats are unseaworthy, but lie about it to protect their investment?

What an utterly stupid statement.

If this were the case, why aren't we all quietly selling our boats and buying monohulls? Let's face it, they're a dime a dozen. I could sell my boat, buy a bigger mono and put money in the bank. If I really thought that way.

You see what you want to see..
What I said was if you thought your boat.. mono or cat.. sucked for whatever reason you would not put it up for sale with the reason for sale being.. 'IT SUCKS'
Stop being so bludi defensive.. if I thought cats were unseaworthy I would not have delivered Wharrams, Heavenly Twins, Catalacs, Lagoons and Bali's over the last few years..
They all made it but they all had their individual flaws.. one nearly sank which the owner could not accept because "it is built like a tank".. till I emailed the picture of what a unforecast 50kts in the approaches the the Straits of Gibraltar can do.
The short steeps seas split the bridgedeck from hull to hull.
For what most of you do they are perfectly adequate.. coastal cruising close to escape holes.. just be aware that they are not invulnerable on the open ocean if the SHTF..

[GRIT]

I've never heard of an incident like that. What make and model of cat was split from hull to hull?

You said you have pictures... care to share?

It sounds made up to me. I'm not calling you a liar, but a statement like that has to be supported with some kind of proof.
Especially since you seem to dislike cats so much, judging by your negative posts.
Perhaps there's some exaggeration in that last post?

Paul.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by boatman61

You see what you want to see..
What I said was if you thought your boat.. mono or cat.. sucked for whatever reason you would not put it up for sale with the reason for sale being.. 'IT SUCKS'.

No, I saw what you wrote, and that's actually not what it was. Maybe take a look at what was quoted from your post.