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Steadman Uhlich · 02-03-2015, 12:42

Objectivity is hard to find, even in journalism, especially on the internet.
Subjectivity is common, and natural.

My Disclaimer:
I know none of the people involved in the Rainmaker incident.
I have no connections to Gunboat or SA.
I have read all of the comments in this thread. And the interview (3 parts) on SA too.
I read them with an interest in seeing what another sailor (or crew) did or experienced that caused the loss (or abandonment) of their vessel.
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The SA (Clean) Disclaimer (seen in his remarks at the end of the interview):

"First off, Bailet is a personal friend of mine, and a longtime reader of SA. Would I lie for him? Not in a million years. But rather than ask him hard followups, I trusted him enough to accept him at his word. If you want to call that a soft interview, that’s your right. No one is making you read it.

Second off, Gunboat founder Peter Johnstone is a sponsor, advertiser, and friend of SA almost since Gunboat began. Would we lie for him, or let him write his own version of the news? Never. Would our feelings for PJ and Gunboat make us go a little lighter on them than another brand? We have to admit this is possible."

Cavalier MK2 · 02-03-2015, 18:40

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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

With no rig, the boat is extremely unlikely to have capsized.

With a cabin window out letting water in and a few seat cushions to block the water flow into a hull capsize becomes much easier to achieve if a hull is getting filled. The boards adding a fulcrum increase the possibility.

downunder · 02-03-2015, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Cavalier MK2

With a cabin window out letting water in and a few seat cushions to block the water flow into a hull capsize becomes much easier to achieve if a hull is getting filled. The boards adding a fulcrum increase the possibility.

Regardless it would still be extremely unlikely to capsize without sails.

Cavalier MK2 · 03-03-2015, 04:13

80 knot wnnds and seas wiider than beam.....in a capsize things are washed out of a boat quiickly which could account for the observed debris. It certainly suuggests some kind of swamping

SVNeko · 03-03-2015, 06:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavalier MK2

With a cabin window out letting water in and a few seat cushions to block the water flow into a hull capsize becomes much easier to achieve if a hull is getting filled. The boards adding a fulcrum increase the possibility.

With water in the hulls its even less likely to flip.

Cavalier MK2 · 03-03-2015, 07:17

Time may yet tell, the interview makes it sound like the ingress would affect one hull. A cat flooded in both still has less resistance to capsize than a dry boat, masts actually help slow roll moment etc....I'm not attached to any outcome here but if I was the insurance co. or gunboat I'd be considerig it. A lot of people screwed up on this one telling themselves what was likely to happen versus checking the physics and history.

Imprezza72 · 06-03-2015, 16:57

Looks like they have added an additional stay to the rigging? On Toccata

**neilpride** · 06-03-2015, 17:10

Its a GB 55?

**neilpride** · 06-03-2015, 17:23

I dont know , zooming the pic and could be a Spi Halyard attached to the rail or something else,,, they normally join together at the same chainplate, lowers and uppers...

Imprezza72 · 06-03-2015, 19:53

Yes the pic is GB55-2 as far as being Spi halyard I am not sure there is 1 on each side and I can't see these in any previous pics on GB's 1,2,or 3 prior to Rainmakers troubles. Unfortunately I can't find a pic showing the upper attachment points.

Sand crab · 07-03-2015, 07:56

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Originally Posted by neilpride

Its a GB 55?

I think the 55 is the only one with the interior helm and winch console. The others all have exterior winches and line handling stuff. They usually have an interior wheel but that's it.

Sand crab · 07-03-2015, 08:19

Check out Vandal.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...8473489&type=1

**neilpride** · 07-03-2015, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Sand crab

Check out Vandal.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...8473489&type=1

Wow, wachting the paint job make me dizzy!!! frankly i think is a Halyard resting in one side , they are single spreader set with just a set of uppers,, nothing change at the moment..