HH 44 hull #1 Sea Trials

[Kinkircating]

Originally Posted by P-Dub

I wish all builders would undertake this process with sincere pride and professionalism.

So which builders do you feel didn't have a full professional crew working with sincere pride and professionalism on sea trials for hull #1 of a performance oriented catamaran?

I'm sure more performance numbers will come out and hitting high speeds wasn't their objective because if it was, it would be massively disappointing.

[Dirk01]

Originally Posted by Snowgoose35

The re-gen is through the props so no folding props there - I'd guess that drag to be worth about 1 knot max from figures on other Hybrid Marine boats I've been on

Re-gen and folding props does not exclude each other.

Just my 5 cts. Or 2 cts? I don't know it anymore :-)

Cheers
Dirk

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by Dirk01

Re-gen and folding props does not exclude each other.

Just my 5 cts. Or 2 cts? I don't know it anymore :-)

Cheers
Dirk

They didn't for us during testing. Couldn't get the folding props to hold open longer than a minute... this was with Gori, Felxofold and Varifold during testing. The issues was when the boat would decelerate from waves and the pressure would reduce on the blades enough to allow them to flop.

[P-Dub]

Originally Posted by Kinkircating

So which builders do you feel didn't have a full professional crew working with sincere pride and professionalism

I can only speak from personal experience. All builders on all boat commissions should be undertaken as was shown in that video. That was what was impressive. Your comment regarding disappointing boat speed is the reason why I qualified my statement, but that is sometimes easy to miss.

[gsuescum]

I watch the Wynns regularly. Met them once. Feel that what you see on their channel is who they are. They are one of the very few sailing channels we follow.

I watched that sea trial video and was very excited and happy for them. It wasn’t until I came across this thread that I started to think about the boat’s performance.

Nice but not great, especially considering that boat was light and the relatively flat sea state. We splashed yesterday after 3 months; fully loaded and kitted out for cruising we made better speed without trying.

It feel like a lot HH buyers are going to be disappointed. :-(

[BigBeakie]

Originally Posted by Matt Johnson

They didn't for us during testing. Couldn't get the folding props to hold open longer than a minute... this was with Gori, Felxofold and Varifold during testing. The issues was when the boat would decelerate from waves and the pressure would reduce on the blades enough to allow them to flop.

Yes that happens with electric motor controllers that do not keep the prop(s) spinning while in regeneration mode, at the minimum rpm to keep them open. Oceanvolt being an exception.

The prop type is not the issue, the lack of sophistication of the motor controller is the issue.

OV motor controllers monitor the watts it takes to keep the folding blades open in regen, and you tweak the throttle when starting regeneration to see when regeneration watts is more than propulsion watts.

That was the problem with the early Servoprops, where the motor controller software was adjusting the prop rpm too often due to seastate fluctuations, as Cornell and other users found out.

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by BigBeakie

Yes that happens with electric motor controllers that do not keep the prop(s) spinning while in regeneration mode, at the minimum rpm to keep them open. Oceanvolt being an exception.

The prop type is not the issue, the lack of sophistication of the motor controller is the issue.

OV motor controllers monitor the watts it takes to keep the folding blades open in regen, and you tweak the throttle when starting regeneration to see when regeneration watts is more than propulsion watts.

That was the problem with the early Servoprops, where the motor controller software was adjusting the prop rpm too often due to seastate fluctuations, as Cornell and other users found out.

Correct. But this is about the HH, which uses the same system we use and the Gori is not the right choice

[Stephen2258]

I think the footage was shot by Jason Wynn. He's probably in the top five camera husbands among the sailing channels. Not to mention being the best known HH44 owner
Last I heard HH had 17 HH44's on order. The boats are masterpieces. Quality, materials, customization, HH management are all the best. Somebody mentioned that the hulls were too full, damn, the boat was designed by Morelli & Melvin ! The pedigree is there.
I'm a retired yacht broker and I've seen manufacturers just leave people without help.
So far there haven't been any stories that became public that I know of and I follow them closely.

[JustMurph]

I think the speeds seen in the video are about right for the length and displacement of the boat. No surprises there. It's simply not light enough to be a serious performance cat......however it's going to be well faster than most of the same size, very well built, very well equiped and very comfortable.

I suspect that most buyers of this boat wouldn't be willing to make the sacrifices on fit out required to bring the weight further down and the performance up.

catarch: I wouldn't be disappointed. She'll be a great boat.

[HUFFnPUFF]

Ok, I just watched the Wynns do their shake out cruise and it was really disappointing. 150* awa, 18kts AWS, and she was doing 8.2knts. Even with the regen off, it wasn't any better. Also, they never showed the data going up wind. All that hype... and an older leopard can perform just as well. take a look, let me know your thoughts?

[JustMurph]

The first thing is, it's a shake down sail. It takes time to learn how to get the best out of a boat.

Second, it really depends on what your expectations are. If you ignored the unrealistic hype and looked at the numbers, it's performing exactly as you'd expect. It's the same with the smaller balance cats. If you're going to cram all of the mod cons into a smaller cat, it's going to be a bit heavy. If you want to go faster, you need to make sacrifices.

I'm actually quite positive about it. It's going to sail faster, handle better and have a much higher quality built than all of the main steam french stuff. By a large margin. It all looked really good to me. It's one the better thought out new designs.

Can an older simpler cat be faster? Sure. But no one is cross shopping a HH44 with an old production cat.

[HUFFnPUFF]

Originally Posted by JustMurph

The first thing is, it's a shake down sail. It takes time to learn how to get the best out of a boat.

Second, it really depends on what your expectations are. If you ignored the unrealistic hype and looked at the numbers, it's performing exactly as you'd expect. It's the same with the smaller balance cats. If you're going to cram all of the mod cons into a smaller cat, it's going to be a bit heavy. If you want to go faster, you need to make sacrifices.

I'm actually quite positive about it. It's going to sail faster, handle better and have a much higher quality built than all of the main steam french stuff. By a large margin. It all looked really good to me. It's one the better thought out new designs.

Can an older simpler cat be faster? Sure. But no one is cross shopping a HH44 with an old production cat.

That is my point... with all the hype, I thought this boat was going to scream. So far, its just ok.

[Letterkenny]

I guess I’m curious how this would compare performance wise to a Lagoon/Nautitech/FP. If it’s similar, you get some more living space with the later which makes them compelling to consider.

[JustMurph]

Originally Posted by HUFFnPUFF

That is my point... with all the hype, I thought this boat was going to scream. So far, its just ok.

Who actually said it was going to be so fast? Did people just assume it would be as fast as the big HHs?

Originally Posted by Letterkenny

I guess I’m curious how this would compare performance wise to a Lagoon/Nautitech/FP. If it’s similar, you get some more living space with the later which makes them compelling to consider.

Dude, the lagoon and FP will be a no contest. It will sh*t all over those boats. Upwind, downwind, light wind, heavy wind, pointing ability, sailing manners.

The Lagoon and FP are ~50% heavier. The Nautitech is 15% heavier, less water line, fat hulls, lots of weight in the nose and has 10% less sail area. The HH will out handle it everywhere. The Nautitech will likely offer better bang for your buck.

It might be a while before we see it, but I fully expect that if they're game to push that boat, it'll push past its hull speed and do mid to high teens on the right point of sail (flat water, not surfing). The production cats just aren't doing that.

[Letterkenny]

Originally Posted by JustMurph

Who actually said it was going to be so fast? Did people just assume it would be as fast as the big HHs?


Dude, the lagoon and FP will be a no contest. It will sh*t all over those boats. Upwind, downwind, light wind, heavy wind, pointing ability, sailing manners.

The Lagoon and FP are ~50% heavier. The Nautitech is 15% heavier, less water line, fat hulls, lots of weight in the nose and has 10% less sail area. The HH will out handle it everywhere. The Nautitech will likely offer better bang for your buck.

It might be a while before we see it, but I fully expect that if they're game to push that boat, it'll push past its hull speed and do mid to high teens on the right point of sail (flat water, not surfing). The production cats just aren't doing that.

Just doesn’t seem like the actual numbers are matching to this though and seemed more production based. Seems like a Nautitech may be a good middle ground between a performance HH/Outremer but having more liveable space.