Lightwave 38 -payload/displacement question

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

There They're faster around a course than a Seawind.

Debatable. Talisker a seawind 1160 won Hammo Cruising division last year, and it has never been beaten by a Lightwave in WAGS at RQYS. I was on a 1160 a number of years ago that beat a LW45 in a Brisbane to Gladstone race.

The only one that I know of that has capsized was up near Fraser island.

It didn't capsize it pitchpoled when it hit the ground entering Wide Bay Bar while surfing a bit. So yes it went over but not a design related issue. Almost any boat would have done the same in those circumstances.

[Andrew Grace]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Lots of lightwaves around.

Try chatting to their owners.

Theres possibly some owners on this forum.

They seem like a popular boat. There faster around a course than a Seawind.

The only one that I know of that has capsized was up near Fraser island.

Very much doubt they are faster than my 1160 lite, will take that bet any day of the week in a head to head race

[Seaslug Caravan]

Originally Posted by Andrew Grace

Very much doubt they are faster than my 1160 lite, will take that bet any day of the week in a head to head race

Sorry Andrew, You may very well be right

A local Lightwave 38 generally had the legs on a Seawind 1000 and a standard
1160 with very new, very expensive sails in our local harbour race series. Like any scientific test it requires a large enough data sample or one has to rely on ones "gut feeling".

For those interested a friend interviewed the Tin Can Bay Coast gard after the Ridgee Didge capsize.

Here=http://www.svdejavu.com/svDejavuBlog/?p=867

The facts regarding the Lightwave prang are:
(1) The Skipper crossed the Bar at Low Tide … THE RULE IS: the only time to cross any sand bar is at high tide, or close to! He had not checked the tide charts
(2) The Skipper chose to cross at night! Visibility at night has to be nonsense! To add to his terror he was catapulted from the yacht when the mast dug into the sandy bottom and broke off.
(3) He chose to cross with both engines powering the yacht, which makes sense … however, his rescuers claim he was driving the yacht too fast.
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The Crew of Ridgee Didge did an article for one of the Aus sailing magazines after the event.

It may have contradicted some of these "FACTS" mentioned above.

Like anything , the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

I'm guessing this capsize may have been discussed here at the time. The search function should find it.

[tp12]

I would speak with any designer regarding weights as they're quoted differently. For example, Schionning's quoted weights have a large number of inclusions in terms of fitout, mast, sails etc ... leaving the lighter looking payloads to be more reasonable than you might have initially thought.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Sorry Andrew, You may very well be right

A local Lightwave 38 generally had the legs on a Seawind 1000 and a standard
1160 with very new, very expensive sails in our local harbour race series. .

An amazing range of boats racing around Gove harbour!

[Factor]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

An amazing range of boats racing around Gove harbour!

True that. And that little Seawind 24 certainly gets around.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

A local Lightwave 38 generally had the legs on a Seawind 1000 and a standard
1160 with very new, very expensive sails in our local harbour race series. .

Which harbour race series would that be. Of course a 38 foot Lightwave would be quicker than a 1000. As for the 1160 with new and expensive sails, which 1160 would that be? I know them all pretty much.

[Glenn C]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Be careful here Heg. You may find the figures are pretty rubbery. Sadly the manufacturers can't be relied on for the truth.

I have raced against a few Lightwave 38s' in the past and I'm guessing there a lot heavier than the 5000kg figure you mention.

One of the few places to source a reliable figure is from a Rating certificate where the vessel type in question has actually been lifted and weighed.

The OMR rating certificates are published on line. Sadly no data for a Lightwave.

As examples of published V actual there is the weight of a corsair 50 (weighed at over 13 tons with empty tanks etc. Manufacturer states around 9 tons from memory).

Then the classic Seawind 1160, (weighed a considerable amount more than the manufacturer declared around 6). The actual rating has been removed but was discussed here in another thread. It may have been as high as 8 or 9 tons from memory, anyone?

Google OMR ratings and check the figures. I would love to be proved wrong. Wouldn't it be great to be able to believe a salesman.

I'd be surprised if your Lightwave weighed less than 7 tons empty. Would loved to be surprised though.

Seriously ? I have known Roger for quite a long time and had many conversations. I do not know him as well as Andrew does, however, I have always found him honest about the pros and cons of his boats and of the highest integrity.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Glenn C

Seriously ? I have known Roger for quite a long time and had many conversations. I do not know him as well as Andrew does, however, I have always found him honest about the pros and cons of his boats and of the highest integrity.

Could not agree more. Given a choice between a faceless person who claims to live in Gove and sail a Seawind 24, and Roger from Lightwave, I know who I would believe. and it ain't Gove Boy. sadly the internet provides a platform for quire scurrilous conduct.

[BigBeakie]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Sorry Andrew, You may very well be right

A local Lightwave 38 generally had the legs on a Seawind 1000 and a standard
1160 with very new, very expensive sails in our local harbour race series. Like any scientific test it requires a large enough data sample or one has to rely on ones "gut feeling".

For those interested a friend interviewed the Tin Can Bay Coast gard after the Ridgee Didge capsize.

Here=http://www.svdejavu.com/svDejavuBlog/?p=867

The facts regarding the Lightwave prang are:
(1) The Skipper crossed the Bar at Low Tide … THE RULE IS: the only time to cross any sand bar is at high tide, or close to! He had not checked the tide charts
(2) The Skipper chose to cross at night! Visibility at night has to be nonsense! To add to his terror he was catapulted from the yacht when the mast dug into the sandy bottom and broke off.
(3) He chose to cross with both engines powering the yacht, which makes sense … however, his rescuers claim he was driving the yacht too fast.
=========

The Crew of Ridgee Didge did an article for one of the Aus sailing magazines after the event.

It may have contradicted some of these "FACTS" mentioned above.

Like anything , the truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

I'm guessing this capsize may have been discussed here at the time. The search function should find it.

It may help the OP to have some info on this Lightwave 38 that attests to it's excellent construction, albeit the skipper made some very dubious choices.

From talking to those that repaired Rigee Didge, and who were astounded at how well it came through extended pounding, the boat was picked up by a wave from behind and surfed down into a sandbar where it was grinded along for some distance. There was enough abrasive force to wear away all the paint, bottom paint and upper layer of glass. Another wave pitchpoled it as others have said. After pitchpoling and snapping of the mast near the base, the boat was then bashed around on the bar for 2 whole days!! After it was taken to repair facilities, it had no structural damage...at all. No broken bulkheads, no cracked panels, not even any broken windows.

That's how you build a boat that will stand up to heavy weather. Contrast that to a production boat (which brand shall remain nameless lest their fans get upset with me, again! But it rhymes with moon), where we have seen photos of a charter condomaran washed up on a beach, overnight, and it has disintegrated up to the sheer. That's how NOT to build a boat IMHO anyway.

[clownfishsydney]

I have no idea of the actual weight of our Lightwave 38 empty or full. Unfortunately the travel lift at The Boat Works does not have a scale so when we have been lifted there is no indication of weight.

That being said, we sailed last year with the following load:

450 litres of water in tanks
200 litres of diesel in tank
110 litres of diesel in containers
75 litres of water in containers
3 scuba tanks
Dive compressor
Lots of beer, wine and food
At least 25 kg of lead weights
Toolkits

Mostly it was just us, but we had four on board for short periods. We did not find that all this weight caused any problems, the only thing was to make sure we had as much weight at the stern as possible. This involved putting the water and diesel in the upper engine compartments.

Hope this helps.

As others have said, contact Roger at Lightwave, he is always happy to assist.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Factor

Which harbour race series would that be. Of course a 38 foot Lightwave would be quicker than a 1000. As for the 1160 with new and expensive sails, which 1160 would that be? I know them all pretty much.

It would have been some time ago. Gove Boat Club haven't raced for several years.

http://www.goveboatclub.com/racing.html

"Racing

Racing has now been put on the back burner as the closure of Riotinto's bauxite refinery takes its toll.Some ramblings of the last race series for 2012

(A little sad that the club has not raced since then)"

[Factor]

To be blunt, I think he forgot his cover story. Its good to have catty back.