New entry level catamaran from Lagoon, FP and R&C?

[sailjumanji]

Originally Posted by harlem24

The thing is, the XCS boats are in a way Lagoons with different helm positions.

In my opinion the XCS 11 is the replacement for the well sold Lagoon 380 that was discontinue last year. But since it was a bestseller they needed to do something.

So they created the new brand and took the Lagoon range a bit more in the pricier range and start off with the 40 instead of the 380.

Huh? The XCS 11 is a 37 ft LOA boat. Not 40 ft.

[Scout 30]

Originally Posted by carlosproa

I took pictures at the Miami show in case you are interested. I was pleasantly surprised, lots of boat for the dough...

What was the price?

[Piscis]

Originally Posted by sailjumanji

Huh? The XCS 11 is a 37 ft LOA boat. Not 40 ft.

I guess he is talking about the "Lagoon 40".

[harlem24]

I think they replaced the cheap Lagoons with the Excess brand and moved the Lagoon brand up a notch towards the more luxurious marked.
And their smallest model is now the so called Lagoon 40, instead of the Lagoon 380.

[harlem24]

Originally Posted by Scout 30

What was the price?

Starting at around 230k$ afair.

[django37]

The Excess 12 use the hull from Lagoon 40 & 39. Only the Excess 11 has a new hull mould

[Piscis]

Originally Posted by rabbi

Ask him for a signed guarantee that he will pay the VAT out of his own pocket if his advice turns out to be wrong. Not saying it is wrong but in my experience most brokers are as honest as shady backyard car dealers

LOL. I doubt he would do that...

[Tupaia]

Speak to customs directly they are not the enemy and can be very helpful.



There may be a way of reclaiming the VAT if the final destination is outside the EU. There are also arrangements that involve flagging the vessel in France and leaving the EU within a certain period.

[Piscis]

Originally Posted by Tupaia

Speak to customs directly they are not the enemy and can be very helpful.



There may be a way of reclaiming the VAT if the final destination is outside the EU. There are also arrangements that involve flagging the vessel in France and leaving the EU within a certain period.

Thanks. Yeah, i have to do some more research on that...

Back to the topic of new boats from Lagoon, R&C, BALI and FP. You guys think we will see some more boats from those manufactureres priced and sizzed below the acctuall Entry Level Cats?

[sailjumanji]

I doubt it. The trend has been toward bigger entry level threshold. Seawind moved from a 1000 (10 meter), to a stretched 1000 XL (36 ft), that they no longer build. Since about 2012 (I think) the entry level is the 1160, although in 2015 thye introduced a Lite version with outboards, and less standard equipment with more as options. The margins on larger mutihulls are greater, so i dont think you will see any of these production builders going smaller. IMO.

[harlem24]

As long as the people are willing to pay the higher prices, the builders gonna build...

[Factor]

Originally Posted by sailjumanji

I doubt it. The trend has been toward bigger entry level threshold. Seawind moved from a 1000 (10 meter), to a stretched 1000 XL (36 ft), that they no longer build. Since about 2012 (I think) the entry level is the 1160, although in 2015 thye introduced a Lite version with outboards, and less standard equipment with more as options. The margins on larger mutihulls are greater, so i dont think you will see any of these production builders going smaller. IMO.

Being an earlier design the 1000XL2 was pretty much the same build cost as the 1160 Lite. So the sell cost was heading toward the 1160 Lite so no point building the 1000

[Piscis]

So generally you are saying, from a economic Point of view, there is no reason for the manufacturers to build a smaller than the already existing boats. Unless they are pointing towards a very low optioned base boat for People who dont need too much highly priced base Modell Equipment.

[Jeannius]

Originally Posted by Piscis

So generally you are saying, from a economic Point of view, there is no reason for the manufacturers to build a smaller than the already existing boats. Unless they are pointing towards a very low optioned base boat for People who dont need too much highly priced base Modell Equipment.

That's the way it's been going for almost the last twenty years. When I was buying my 44 ft boat back in 2002, Privilege had just dropped the 39ft 395 from their price list. I asked the sales director why as I thought it was a very nice boat. She said it cost almost the same to build as my boat and since their factory capacity was limited they were better off concentrating on bigger boats.

18 years later the 44ft and 46ft have now gone and Privilege's entry level is now 50ft!

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by sailjumanji

Huh? The XCS 11 is a 37 ft LOA boat. Not 40 ft.

But it has already been mentioned the L40 is only 38' 6".