New FP 40

[Factor]

Originally Posted by NETNOB

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Its interesting that the Rudder is behind the Prop.

All of there smaller designs used to have the rudder in front of the prop

Not sure why anyone would choose to put the props behind the rudders, apart from anything else it moves the weight of the motors further and further aft. Still; - at 9 tonne and 11.7 metres they clearly aren't worried about performance.

[RKsailsolo]

Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey

This is the only other shot I got. I'm sorry I didn't get more!

That looks like an Admiral. An old one at that. And that's disappointing if true

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by Factor

Not sure why anyone would choose to put the props behind the rudders, apart from anything else it moves the weight of the motors further and further aft.

In most smaller designs the engines need to be placed under the aft bunks to allow rudder behind prop arrangements. If the customers want separate engine compartments, the saildrive ends up behind the rudder.
Mahe has that, too. To me this it's bothersome very few situations.
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[BYA2014]

Originally Posted by wideOpenDDS

As per the super secret confidential info: here is a pirated video from the unveiling in France to the FP dealers. The production method provides for finished glass on both sides of the mould decreasing labor. It's most like the Open 40, but has Lagoon 450 living space. Very sleek and low windage, and looks light and fast. Don't tell anyone I leaked the Super secret. 15 sold. Anyonr want to buy my '14 lagoon 450? I want one! Video https://youtu.be/onRc3lDyvGU

So, what don't you understand about the word "Confidential"? Bad form to say the least. Watch for official announcement 06/16/15.
BYA2014 Atlantic Cruising Yachts

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by BYA2014

So, what don't you understand about the word "Confidential"? Bad form to say the least. Watch for official announcement 06/16/15.
BYA2014 Atlantic Cruising Yachts

Confidential it's only for FP and their employees and distributors.
Customers have no obligation to keep this confidential unless they signed a non-disclosure agreement.
Which at least my friend has not.

[BYA2014]

The original people that this was sent to agreed to keep the information confidential. You referred to the fact that you "Pirated the information". Look up the word pirate. Is that what you want to be known as? To convey information without authorization is pirating, as you said. It's an issue of morality--respecting other peoples rights and properties. Apparently you find it inconsequential. I know I'm whistling in the wind--but I'm done with this. It's been done. There has been damage. In any case the full information will be public on Tuesday.

[rabbi]

I never said I pirated anything. The price list and renderings I posted were sent as advertising material to a guy in response to an inquiry about a Mahe via the official FP website.
He has never been asked for confidentiality and never agreed to anything.

No, I don't have a problem posting advertising material.

[BlueBuddha]

The new FP 40 (a baby Helia) was just announced today. It gives some real competition to the Lagoon 400S2. Lighter (9.8T vs. 10.3T) with larger sails (58 vs. 56sqm Main and 37 vs. 28sqm Geneoa). Space look similar. I also think this may make be a nice cheaper alternative to some considering the Helia (cough- me).

Catamarans Fountaine Pajot

[NB2013]

Originally Posted by BlueBuddha

The new FP 40 (a baby Helia) was just announced today. It gives some real competition to the Lagoon 400S2. Lighter (9.8T vs. 10.3T) with larger sails (58 vs. 56sqm Main and 37 vs. 28sqm Geneoa). Space look similar. I also think this may make be a nice cheaper alternative to some considering the Helia (cough- me).

Catamarans Fountaine Pajot

At 38 feet, its two small to carry 6 to 8 people and gear on an extended cruise.

A boat gets a foot shorter everyday your on it with that many people and there gear.

In a week it would feel like a 30 footer. You will want to throw some of your friends and family over board before you get back to the dock

Its 6 feet shorter and 2 feet narrower than the Helia 44 carrying the same amount of people and gear. Can you say pile in the Phone Booth.

This is really a 2 to 4 person boat for extended cruising.

[BlueBuddha]

Originally Posted by NETNOB

This is really a 2 to 4 person boat for extended cruising.

I agree. In my case it will be just me and my wife (and the occasional crew in long passages). It may be more manageable than the Helia or the L450 for a couple. So it really is more of a competitor to the L400 S2.

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by BlueBuddha

The new FP 40 (a baby Helia) was just announced today. It gives some real competition to the Lagoon 400S2. Lighter (9.8T vs. 10.3T) with larger sails (58 vs. 56sqm Main and 37 vs. 28sqm Geneoa). Space look similar. I also think this may make be a nice cheaper alternative to some considering the Helia (cough- me).

Catamarans Fountaine Pajot

The direct competitor in terms of overal dimensions is the Lagoon 39. The 39 is 1cm longer and 16cm wider than the new FP 40. The Lagoon 400 is somewhat bigger than that (20cm in lenght but 60cm in width which is a lot).

But you are right about the sailarea. That par they have done right!


Btw... have FP run out of new names for their boats? on their website its just the 'New 40' but What about five years from now? will they call her the 'not so new 40' or the 'about to retire 40'?

[BlueBuddha]

Originally Posted by rabbi

The direct competitor in terms of overal dimensions is the Lagoon 39. The 39 is 1cm longer and 16cm wider than the new FP 40. The Lagoon 400 is somewhat bigger than that (20cm in lenght but 60cm in width which is a lot).

But you are right about the sailarea. That par they have done right!


Btw... have FP run out of new names for their boats? on their website its just the 'New 40' but What about five years from now? will they call her the 'not so new 40' or the 'about to retire 40'?

My understanding is that the L400 S2 is the real seller in the 39-41 range given its ample living space for its size and performance. So I was thinking that the FP40 was trying to compete directly with it (they likely don't see the 39 as the real competitor since it does not sell as well as (i.e., as many) the L400.

I was thinking the same about the name. :-)

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by BlueBuddha

My understanding is that the L400 S2 is the real seller in the 39-41 range given its ample living space for its size and performance. So I was thinking that the FP40 was trying to compete directly with it (they likely don't see the 39 as the real competitor since it does not sell as well as (i.e., as many) the L400.

I was thinking the same about the name. :-)

The problem is that the FP 40 is simply just the size of the Lagoon 39. The Lagoons have wide hulls and long bridgedecks so I don't see how FP could match the comfort of the 400 with 60cm less width and 20cm less length. The 400 is simply one size bigger to compare like for like

To me the 'new 40' looks like the Lagoon 39 done right: big enough for 2-4, lighter and better sail area so should be a much better performer

Except for the overstated name and the price. but thats always the problem....

[Factor]

9 ton (claimed - I look forward to seeing some real weight figures) with 20hp engines. I don't see too many people sticking with standard.

[NB2013]

Originally Posted by Factor

9 ton (claimed - I look forward to seeing some real weight figures) with 20hp engines. I don't see too many people sticking with standard.

This is inline with the Lagoon 380 S

20hp engines in this cat will do 4 knots with one engine and 5 knots with both at 3000 rpm.

This is a 30 or 40 hp Cat

20hp will be perfect as a Plugged in DOCK boat