New outremer model coming

[yvest]

Originally Posted by mglonnro

I guess. Outremer lists two displacements for each model, so I assume the lower is for an empty boat and the higher could be the fully loaded boat ("ready to sail" including optional equipment, liquids, dinghy, food, people, ...).

Also, I assume there are options to further "carbonize" some of the boat and reduce weight, so the published numbers are just one version of the truth. We have a meeting with them this Friday so I will ask for more info.

EDIT: And yes, pounds displacement!

Wow considering buying one ?

If yes (or even no), ask them the question when you would get it if signing now.

[mglonnro]

Originally Posted by yvest

Wow considering buying one ?

If yes (or even no), ask them the question when you would get it if signing now.

Yes, absolutely! We're looking into alternatives maybe 4-5 years from now, so not in any particular hurry. With long build times, of course, that's not that far away either. And I've never ever sailed on a performance catamaran, so we'll have to try that also, before getting too excited (Been firmly in the monohull culture so far.)

I will certainly ask that question if nobody else gets there first!

[Seahab]

Originally Posted by yvest

when you would get it if signing now.

Delivery for next available slot is 2022

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Seahab

Delivery for next available slot is 2022

subscribed. Hope to be able to sell this to my wife.

[yvest]

A bit more views :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx5gF6Q6GYQ

The lines that we see below the "winches block" are the solent/genoa sheets ?

That's a quite complicated "route", they go through 3 blocks it seems

And I wonder what will be the arrangement for the spinnakers/code 0 sheets, they will go to the same winches ?

[Sand crab]

It's out of my price range but I would also carefully consider the Balance cats. The prices are right there on the website too. For instance the 526 is $1.44 mill base and they say about $1.65 cruise equipped. It's interesting that you can have these with keels or boards. The little one is built in China and the story was there were some weight issues with the first one. All the rest are built in South Africa I believe.
https://balancecatamarans.com/

[yvest]

The big plus of the balance is that it is epoxy

[mglonnro]

Originally Posted by Seahab

Delivery for next available slot is 2022

Update from our visit: only two slots available for 2022, then it's 2023

[Saleen411]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

It's out of my price range but I would also carefully consider the Balance cats. The prices are right there on the website too. For instance the 526 is $1.44 mill base and they say about $1.65 cruise equipped. It's interesting that you can have these with keels or boards. The little one is built in China and the story was there were some weight issues with the first one. All the rest are built in South Africa I believe.
https://balancecatamarans.com/

I like the Balance cats. Believe it or not, ordering one WITHOUT daggerboards saves a bunch of money. Phil Berman quoted me around 40K....but I think that was just a wag.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Saleen411

I like the Balance cats. Believe it or not, ordering one WITHOUT daggerboards saves a bunch of money. Phil Berman quoted me around 40K....but I think that was just a wag.

Much more labor and materials involved in building and installing daggerboards and trunks as compared to gluing on a couple of mini keels.
They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by smj

Much more labor and materials involved in building and installing daggerboards and trunks as compared to gluing on a couple of mini keels.
They both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Well. if the daggerboards are in the middle of the hull (like ours are) then yes, more engineering, labour and materials relative to keels. But for modern designs that put the trunk along the side of the hull I can’t imagine that is so much more complex or expensive than keels. Unless they’re curved or have foils.

As for disadvantages of daggerboards, having to adjust them is the only one I can think of (well, the aesthetics of raised daggerboards protruding above deck level may not be everyone’s cup of tea either).

[yeloya]

Originally Posted by fxykty

But for modern designs that put the trunk along the side of the hull I can’t imagine that is so much more complex or expensive than keels. Unless they’re curved or have foils.

As for disadvantages of daggerboards, having to adjust them is the only one I can think of (well, the aesthetics of raised daggerboards protruding above deck level may not be everyone’s cup of tea either).

The trunks are made of exotic / expensive materiels (Kevlar most of the time) , requires extensive labour and are expensive wherever they are installed. The factory quoted 13.600 € for a single daggerboard of my Catana 46 which was broken..
The main disadvantage is not having to adjust them IMO, you don't do that very often. The only issue the extra price you pay for anda bit of buoyancy that you lose.

Cheers

Yeloya

[smj]

One advantage of the mini keel is the ability to protect the rudder in a grounding. We usually drop our daggerboard to just below rudder depth so it will take the impact of a grounding, but I’m guessing in a serious grounding the damage done to daggerboard and trunk would be much more severe and expensive to repair than that of a mini keel.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by smj

One advantage of the mini keel is the ability to protect the rudder in a grounding. We usually drop our daggerboard to just below rudder depth so it will take the impact of a grounding, but I’m guessing in a serious grounding the damage done to daggerboard and trunk would be much more severe and expensive to repair than that of a mini keel.

Agreed on both points, and would especially discourage sacrificing the dagger board and possibly trunk rather than a rudder. Mini keels if not filled with tanks would be cheaper to repair.

Do the new generation Outremers still have a skeg with foot in front of the props and rudders? Our first generation 55L does. With max hull depth of 0.8m and skeg and rudder depth of 1.1m the boat was designed to be beached on a slope.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by yeloya

The trunks are made of exotic / expensive materiels (Kevlar most of the time) , requires extensive labour and are expensive wherever they are installed. The factory quoted 13.600 € for a single daggerboard of my Catana 46 which was broken..

The main disadvantage is not having to adjust them IMO, you don't do that very often. The only issue the extra price you pay for anda bit of buoyancy that you lose.



Cheers



Yeloya

Hmm, I guess the advantage of an older boat is no exotics. Our trunks are engineered into the structure of the hulls, but otherwise not particularly complex. I’ve heard of at least one first generation 50 or 55 that has mini keels but I didn’t hear if there was any price difference either way for that option.

We adjust our boards frequently, almost as often as sails (offshore). Inshore the sails get more tweaking.