Ok, What about Bali 4.5?

[barnakiel]

I think the frame is fine. Just hard to guess why in SS why a lighter frame can be built in aluminum.

I thought keeping the boat light was important inn cat design.

b.

[tp12]

I don't think weight is too much of a consideration in the Bali design. In my opinion it's about charter comfort.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

I thought keeping the boat light was important inn cat design.

b.

It is, very much so. But as TP12 says I don't think the driving aspects of this range of boats is purity of sailing multihull design. Don't get me wrong, they build the best apartment on water I have seen, and the market for that is way bigger than the market for sensible seaworthy multis, so they are making sound business decisions.

[CbroTheDude]

It is an official decision from Catana to enter the charter market with the Bali line, however the saw some interest from owners thus recently announced a "premium" finish on their cats, maybe answering to the complaints above. I also think they do not lack seaworthiness nor performance for their category, as they answered a need for water and cold storage, also feels good to see some daring decisions made by builder. Also the 4.0 and 4.3 with opened doors are like gunboats 55 in their layouts ;-)
IMHO, i would also rather have a correct "ikea" finish than a leopard style all white and plastic furniture which feels uncomfortable

TD.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by CbroTheDude

. I also think they do not lack seaworthiness nor performance

TD.

You need to get out more

[CbroTheDude]

Originally Posted by Factor

You need to get out more

I noticed how you were VERY strongly opposed to the fact that these boat might be swift, or even to the fact that the solid foredeck might add buoyancy to the boat (by having foam inside it). But such a comment on a quote out of context, as I said the Bali 4.5 didn't lack performance in its category (aka condomarans), has nothing constructive in it thus I wonder seriously if you are there trolling, in which case you might want to get out.

TD.

[barnakiel]

I have seen two Bali cats here about a week ago. I think they were on delivery to the other side.

I was honestly shocked to see CATANA label on them as they looked ... ergh ....

The gap is clear. I would think again if I were Catana marketing team.

b.

[CbroTheDude]

That's why it's Bali and not Catana, but I have to agree they're ugly af, hoping for some progress on this side. Again, getting out 4 new cats with 3 to come, in 3 years does have these consequences.

TD.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by CbroTheDude

I noticed how you were VERY strongly opposed to the fact that these boat might be swift, or even to the fact that the solid foredeck might add buoyancy to the boat (by having foam inside it). But such a comment on a quote out of context, as I said the Bali 4.5 didn't lack performance in its category (aka condomarans), has nothing constructive in it thus I wonder seriously if you are there trolling, in which case you might want to get out.

TD.

Not trolling mate. They are slow, indeed beyond slow. To say that they are good performers in their class is to say a snail is quick compared to a turtle or vice versa. When cruising I dont care whether I am quick compared to my class I care if the boat sails well, in light airs and to windward etc. So thanks mate but no I wont be getting out. As for the solid foredeck, it has no redeeming features and adds weight forward and provides both a hydrodynamic and aerodynamic negative.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by CbroTheDude

That's why it's Bali and not Catana, but I have to agree they're ugly af, hoping for some progress on this side. Again, getting out 4 new cats with 3 to come, in 3 years does have these consequences.

TD.

Bali or whatever there is a clear CATANA logo on the side of the structure.

If I built boat like that I would hide the logo somewhere under the antifouling.

;-)
b.

[rallyman1122]

Originally Posted by CAELESTIS

They all flip in 50 knots and everybody dies.

What a silly response. But entirely expected.

[packeteer]

Originally Posted by CAELESTIS

They all flip in 50 knots and everybody dies.

well I laughed

[packeteer]

I saw this at the boat show. they're terrible. build quality and design

[rallyman1122]

Originally Posted by rallyman1122

What a silly response. But entirely expected.

And now I feel silly as I saw the response lower down in the thread. Mea Culpa

[Barra]

My 2 c - Anyone who has been in the kind of conditions where they have seen first hand the need for tramps on cats would not go near either the Bali solid foredeck design nor the leopard open forward cockpit set up.

Being offshore in one of these would just plain give me the heebie jeebies if the weather was taking a turn for the worse and that feeling far outweighs any comforts at anchor for me at least.