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Tropic Cat · 05-10-2009, 12:58

Djeeke

I noted the pricing increases I've seen on smaller British Cats in America, in an earlier post. What have you seen on your side of the Atlantic? There are a lot more boats in your neighborhood and I was wondering if supply/demand has kicked in? Are small cat prices increasing or decreasing in Europe? It's difficult for me to determine as the USD$ has been fluctuating.

Cheechako · 05-10-2009, 13:22

Yea, sorry, I missed that the budget went down!

djeeke · 05-10-2009, 13:25

Hi Rick ...

Over here prices seem steady, not going up, for some boats even dropping ...
(If I would have a spare 10.000 Euro I would probably be looking at this Woods Flica <click> )

Remember we just entered the recession, you have been there for quite a while, if prices start raising here I'll have to forget about my cruising dreams and keep on sailing my Jaguar 27... (which would give me approx. the extra 10k if I sold it, this sounds like it will be on the market next sailing season

)

djeeke · 05-10-2009, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Cheechako

Yea, sorry, I missed that the budget went down!

No probs, a lot of people do

But still great to post as I do not want to keep this thread only for myself !

Cheechako · 05-10-2009, 13:34

gemini 3000 just listed (USA) $42k US. (no affiliation)1986 Gemini 3000 for sale in Charlotte Harbor, FL: Catamaran (sail) - SailboatTraderOnline.com

Tropic Cat · 05-10-2009, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Cheechako

gemini 3000 just listed (USA) $42k US. (no affiliation)1986 Gemini 3000 for sale in Charlotte Harbor, FL: Catamaran (sail) - SailboatTraderOnline.com

LOL.... you really have to catch up on threads. djeeke would like to find a boat fairly close to home. Which would be the Netherlands. Now, if you find a Gemini for sale in France, he'd probably have a look.

djeeke · 05-10-2009, 15:52

Correct Rick,

Closer to home would be the best as this saves a lot on travel expenses to/from the boat for looking and survey and then to arrange refit and start cruising, this again restricted due to budget ...

So a European boat is indeed preferred (also due to the European VAT which I would have to pay on a boat bought outside the EU, not to mention the boat would also require a CE certification

)...

But the Gemini's are in the mentioned size and budget so this might benefit others reading this thread too (or even myself if I get to a point seeing no valid boat can be found in this area in my budget)

Cheechako · 05-10-2009, 16:06

No, No..................he needs something closer to the Carribean!!

Yea..I need to slow down.............

djeeke · 05-10-2009, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Cheechako

Yea..I need to slow down.............

Come on Cheechako , not now, you're close to the 2000 postings (1975)

shnean66 · 06-10-2009, 06:32

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Originally Posted by djeeke

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So a European boat is indeed preferred (also due to the European VAT which I would have to pay on a boat bought outside the EU, not to mention the boat would also require a CE certification

)...

VAT: Only if you import it into Europe - after you cruised the Carribean

. And after that trip you just don't clean up for a month or so and you can convince the officers that this old boat is basically worth 1000 EUR.

CE: I think only if you want to sell it in Europe. Not sure if insurance may cause trouble but why bother with insurance other than 3rd party liability - some won't even insure such an old boat.

djeeke · 06-10-2009, 08:15

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Originally Posted by hannes99

VAT: Only if you import it into Europe - after you cruised the Carribean

. And after that trip you just don't clean up for a month or so and you can convince the officers that this old boat is basically worth 1000 EUR.

Maybe this should be discussed in a separate thread and I will not argue on VAT requirements but is this your personal experience Hannes ?

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Originally Posted by hannes99

CE: I think only if you want to sell it in Europe.

Also for a separate thread but I definitely need a CE certificate to register a boat under Belgian flag, see aanvraag vlaggenbrief in Dutch (so you should be able to read it

), anyway, I can confirm as I was in that ofice this week myself to renew my registration for the Jaguar, another guy was importing and had big discussions on the CE certificate...

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Originally Posted by hannes99

Not sure if insurance may cause trouble but why bother with insurance other than 3rd party liability - some won't even insure such an old boat.

What some would or won't due is their business, I want decent insurance...

The last boat I was looking at buying (OW 33) was also only insured third party, got broken into and some sails, the tender outboard and some other stuff stolen, the owner did not even care

He did not use the boat anyway but really too bad for the people who bought it, they have less equipment on board...

djeeke · 10-10-2009, 03:50

Hi all !

If someone is up to a major project (too much for me to handle) ...
I have found another Aristocat for sale in France.
As far as I understand it is an unfinished project which has been abandoned some time ago...

Transoms extended by 3 ft and 2 Yanmar 1GM10 engines on saildrives have been installed, boards have been replaced by keels and it has a raised cabintop. The interior is almost empty. Rudders not fixed on the new transoms, engine conducts to install (fuel lines, cooling water, exhaust, ...)
The owner has a recent (French) survey report available. (I have recieved a copy) The surveyor made an estimate on the value of the boat, this is way too high !!! Therefore the current asking price is way too high too as the seller will find out should someone interested show up...
If interested, send me a PM, I can forward the survey report and the seller's details, if required I can translate...
But expect a lot of work on this one...

Kurt · 19-10-2009, 11:54

Hi djeeke and all,
There are currently 3 cats on eBay UK for sale out of which one is auction and the other two are just Ads. But you may be interested as they are in your budget range.
Here is Solaris 42 for £50,000; Prout 33CS for £39,000; Prout Quest 31 for £20,000. The latest requires a lot of attention but at least you could fit it with whatever you like.

If I see anything else within your budget I will let you know. I am doing a bit of a research to se how much money I need for what I want. It looks as we are both in the same boat in regards to our budgets