Using a bridle on a mooring ball

[cat-keys]

I learned that the main issue with tying lines to the clear on the forward cross beam is that the beam will be forced to twist with the heavy loads caused by way action and lines tensioning. This puts the entire rig at risk as well

Usually the bridle is connected separately with current backing plate

[Clivevon]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The best way to stop chafe is to put a round turn on the mooring bouy.. only works if you don't use the lazy method of an eye on one end of the line.
If you need to adjust uncleat both ends and pull in or feed out.. the same on the other side.

+1. Lots of different types of mooring buoys but if we are talking about the ones with a metal ring or eye on top, you absolutely need a full round turn around that if staying longer than lunch..

[AlanR]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

We were taught not to use a bridal on a mooring ball but to use two lines run independently to our forward cleats .


Why?

I see other cats using their bridals to no ill effects and it would make my wife happy to just hook the bridal to the painter from the mooring ball.

You mean "Bridle" nor "Bridal." Bridal is an adjective, meaning 'to do with a bride.' For example, "Bridal veil."

[Nahbrown]

Originally Posted by StuM

Two lines ARE a bridle (not bridal !)
BRIDAL = relating to a bride/wedding
BRIDLE = two lines forming a triangle between attachment points on the vessel and an anchor rode, mooring buoy or tow line.
SNUBBER = single shock absorbing line between boat and anchor rode/mooring.

Feel better?

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

Feel better?

If you and the other posters who didn't know the difference between bridal and bridle, or what a bridle is, have learnt something, then yes

[Nahbrown]

Originally Posted by StuM

If you and the other posters who didn't know the difference between bridal and bridle, or what a bridle is, have learnt something, then yes

I know, you know, everybody knows. You didn’t teach anyone anything. Your post was offered zero to the subject and only served to make you feel superior.


Congratulations.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by StuM

If you and the other posters who didn't know the difference between bridal and bridle, or what a bridle is, have learnt something, then yes

Is that why young girls often wear pig tails but adult women do a pony tail?

It was a typo. Lighten up Francis.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

It was a typo. Lighten up Francis.

Using the same incorrect term four times in one post is not a typo.
It's an all too common basic misunderstanding.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by StuM

Using the same incorrect term four times in one post is not a typo.

I'm 100% behind you on the amp-hr & watt/-hr crusade.

This is just being silly and pedantic. No one is going to think the OP is tying off his boat with brides.

[GordMay]

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[Nani Kai]

Originally Posted by cat-keys

I learned that the main issue with tying lines to the clear on the forward cross beam is that the beam will be forced to twist with the heavy loads caused by way action and lines tensioning. This puts the entire rig at risk as well

Usually the bridle is connected separately with current backing plate

On our Leopard 39 there is a red, engraved sign monel-riveted to the cross beam specifically warning against towing, or anchoring from, or mooring to the cleats on the crossbeam because of potential failure of the rig. Makes sense to me.

[mikereed100]

Originally Posted by cat-keys

I learned that the main issue with tying lines to the cleat on the forward cross beam is that the beam will be forced to twist with the heavy loads caused by way action and lines tensioning. This puts the entire rig at risk as well

However, lashing the bridle arms to the crossbeam as mentioned in post #12, should eliminate the twisting force on the beam. The crossbeam does need to be strong enough to take the strain, though, as they are usually designed for compression, rather than a horizontal force.

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by Nani Kai

On our Leopard 39 there is a red, engraved sign monel-riveted to the cross beam specifically warning against towing, or anchoring from, or mooring to the cleats on the crossbeam because of potential failure of the rig. Makes sense to me.

So why are there cleats on the crossbeam then?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

So why are there cleats on the crossbeam then?

Look Nautical..

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by Nahbrown

We were taught not to use a bridal on a mooring ball but to use two lines run independently to our forward cleats .


Why?

I see other cats using their bridals to no ill effects and it would make my wife happy to just hook the bridal to the painter from the mooring ball.

If you have a bridle with a shackle tied in the centre, it shouldn't be a problem. The problem arises if you just run a line from one bow through the buoy's painter back to the other bow - the line will either saw through the painter's eye or if there's a steel thimble, it'll chafe through your line; with only one line holding you to the buoy - when it snaps, off you go.

The bridle would need to be stout enough to take the entire load, as it won't be backed up by the anchor chain.