Which One: Voyage 38 or Moorings 380 ?

[mason_jj]

I was just on a maine cat 41 2 days ago and it would be a great liveaboard sailing boat. I just can't afford one. I sailed very well even in light air.

[mason_jj]

That is interesting Gideon, thanks for the tidbit of info.

Do you happen to know the specs on the voyage / maxim 380? What are the payload capacity on these boats?

Thanks
Jeff

[fvn]

Originally Posted by fastcat435

Up to hull number 23 the load carrying capability was not very good and the bridge deck slamming a bit much at times after hull 23 the hulls where widened giving the boat increased payload and the complete roof was raised with 40 mm giving more headroom all around.One ft was added to the sugar scoop and a walk thru was made from hull 15 or 16.
Before hull 23 there is hardly a difference between a maxim and a voyage besides maybe the options, voyages where used in charter schemes while the maims where mainly used as private boats having more options and where used a lot less. after that hull number all where delivered as maxims as far as I am aware so later maxims after 2003 are better ones

Gideon
Could you help with building date instead of hull#? it will make it easier
Thanks

[fastcat435]

I think the change was in late 2003

[fastcat435]

about 1500 kilo for the early models and 2500 for the versions with the wider hulls

[Tropic1]

Hi Fastcat435. Are the numbers you give accurate? I know you should know the specs good based on the fastcat 395 you were working on. That seems to be high (5500 lbs) for carying capacity. I have one of the first Maxim MKII 380's (I believe that is what they called them) built in 2004 for the Annapolis boat show. It seems that that much weight would push the marked waterline well below although I could just have a ton of weight on board and I don't realize how much stuff there is. I do know that with water and fuel tanks full that is a quite a bit of weight all by itself (260 gallons). Either way we still like the boat quite well.

[fastcat435]

Morning Tropic, the carrying load of the FastCat 395 was even higher , the empty weight was a touch below 5500 kilo ready to sail but keep in mind that this one was epoxy infused no gelcoat carbon rig etc. 3000 kilo less weight !!

[Tropic1]

Thanks Fastcat - Ok, just to be clear you are saying the latest Maxim 380's (the standard non-epoxy boats) have a load capacity of 2500 kilo's or 5500 lbs. I thought the normal "rule of thumb" was 1 inch imersion per 1000 lb of payload. If this is anything close, even empty (or very close to it) I never had close to 5 inches of additional bouancy. Just trying to find out if I'm just not understanding the whole thing correctly. I hope I'm not keeping you up.

[paulrack]

Did African cats build any Maxim's and at what weight were they actually. I have seen a St Francis48 advertised as a Fastcat as well as a Rayvin 30 which to my knowledge was never built with any infusion process, only by Rajen of Rayvin and later by Proud catamarans

[Dedzaboy]

Does anyone know the actual weight of a Maxim 380? It's being claimed here that it's 8500kg yet I think it's nearer 6500kg, maybe less, so which is correct?

[fastcat435]

Hallo Tropic

I recall the immersion rate at DWL to be around 175 kg per cm or 14 cm from empty to full (Close to 1 inch per 1000 lbs )and that is for a standard equipped boat, Any additional equipment like a dingy , outboard , water maker, lots of sails, aircon etc will off course lower the payload substantially Full water and diesel tanks do the same.
Just ask if you have more questions.

Greetings

[fastcat435]

Originally Posted by paulrack

Did African cats build any Maxim's and at what weight were they actually. I have seen a St Francis48 advertised as a Fastcat as well as a Rayvin 30 which to my knowledge was never built with any infusion process, only by Rajen of Rayvin and later by Proud catamarans

We never did build a maxim 380 however Maxim with my help resin infused a Maxim 395 for us with epoxy, foam etc and no gel coat was used the weight came out around 5500 kilo.
All other maxims we sold ( we where the agents for Europe came in around 8500 kilo )
Rajen infused one 305 for us in the same epoxy foam infusion process with a high aspect ratio keel , a different rudder and a total weight of 2800 kilo hull number 3

[Tropic1]

Thanks for the info Fastcat. I've seen the photos of the Epoxy boat before and it floats 5+ inches higher than the standard boat which is a huge difference. I did talk to them about building an epoxy one for me before I bought my standard boat.

I have one more question that you might know, that is will the boat float if the hulls flood? Let me say it another way, is there enough boyancy in the cored hulls and deck that the boat won't sink if both hulls were compromised (unsinkable)?

I always thought the boat weighed more than stated in the brochure 6500 klo, when lifted they always told me it was about 20,500 lbs with all my gear aboard, diesel and water.

Thanks again for all the info!

[fastcat435]

Hallo Tropic , unfortunately I have that experience , in the harbour of Ijmuiden a powerboat drove into one of the Maxims I use to own and one hull flooded completely , it stayed afloat and the other hull did not get flooded so I would say yes if not overly heavy loaded i think you would stay afloat. In the ones I had build we did incorporate buoyancy chambers in the front under the bunk and closed of buoyancy chamber under the sugar scoop.
This can also be done on your boat and it helps if something happens !!!

Besides the epoxy boat and the first one build in western red ceder ( 35 ft ) and epoxy I have not seen one under 8 tons even with little equipment

[Tropic1]

Thanks for the tip, I'll investigate a bulkhead in front of the sugar scoops. As you are now in the high performance cat arena and that you have had a maxim before, what is your opinion of the performance of the maxim? Speed, pointing, and general performance against other similar sized cruising cats. My maxim is the only cat I've owned and think the performance is good but can't compare it to anything else.