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rajsach · 06-03-2015, 21:29

I found a boat on an ad that is a 2012 sailing cat that was sailed across the Atlantic to the Caribbean by a prof crew when new. Engines have 150hrs on it. After the boat arrived the owner took it for one sail and decided it wasn't his thing. Its been on the hard ever since. Broker advertises it as "like new" condition. Seems like a great price but its been sitting up for awhile. Would you even consider it? Ofcourse I would get it surveyed but still it gives me a little anxiety since it hasn't been used for awhile. Thoughts?

**sailorchic34** · 06-03-2015, 21:46

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Originally Posted by rajsach

I found a boat on an ad that is a 2012 sailing cat that was sailed across the Atlantic to the Caribbean by a prof crew when new. Engines have 150hrs on it. After the boat arrived the owner took it for one sail and decided it wasn't his thing. Its been on the hard ever since. Broker advertises it as "like new" condition. Seems like a great price but its been sitting up for awhile. Would you even consider it? Ofcourse I would get it surveyed but still it gives me a little anxiety since it hasn't been used for awhile. Thoughts?

Most, and I'm thinking 95+% ish of boats that are for sale, have not been used for years. Of the other 5%, 4.8% are race boats and the other 0.2% are boats back from RTW and to quote brokers "Proven blue water boat" which to me is code for needs new everything..

I would not trust that "like new" statement eaither. It may look like new, but it's not. At the least the raw water impellers need changing and stainless checked for corrosion. rubber drys out, Lines are UV damaged, etc.

Just go into it knowing there will be repairs needed. I highly recommend new owners replace the raw water impellers first thing with any used boat purchase.

2Hulls · 07-03-2015, 06:53

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Originally Posted by rajsach

Broker advertises it as "like new" condition.

Of course it's not "like new". Have the sails been removed and stored out of the sun and dry? Has mold and mildew over run the interior? On the other hand, the cynic in me can argue it's better than new if it got across the ocean and typical shoddy builder issues have been resolved.

Reveal the listing and I bet you'll get all kinds of advice. Cue up, "you should avoid sail drives" in 3......, 2......., 1.......

Dave

valhalla360 · 07-03-2015, 06:58

Wouldn't scare me away but without inspecting it, getting a survey and a test sail, I wouldn't take the "like new" statement as anything but marketing.

I wouldn't be increasing the offer price.

Cadence · 07-03-2015, 08:14

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Originally Posted by rajsach

I found a boat on an ad that is a 2012 sailing cat that was sailed across the Atlantic to the Caribbean by a prof crew when new. Engines have 150hrs on it. After the boat arrived the owner took it for one sail and decided it wasn't his thing. Its been on the hard ever since. Broker advertises it as "like new" condition. Seems like a great price but its been sitting up for awhile. Would you even consider it? Ofcourse I would get it surveyed but still it gives me a little anxiety since it hasn't been used for awhile. Thoughts?

If the engines haven't seized the survey is OK and the price is right, go for it.

rajsach · 07-03-2015, 10:26

Thanks for all of the info.
Here's a link to the listing

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...caraibeyachts&

He already came off to 290k euro right away without me even asking really....hmmm

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Sand crab · 07-03-2015, 10:56

Looks like the main has been taken off but is the genoa is still on? Hard to say.
I am curious of the "short mast option". Is that standard with a square topped main? I believe these had an option of a traditional full batten main or the sq. top. I am wondering if the smaller mast was used because you would still have the same amount of sail area MOL.
One issue is hurricane season which starts June 1. I would be looking at moving it to Grenada or Trinidad or thereabouts upon closing. Some insurers require this or keep it on the hard there.

35S · 07-03-2015, 11:06

Make a ridiculous offer. You cant be worse off for a boat that had been in charter or circumnavigated to death.

rajsach · 07-03-2015, 11:42

Here's a link to more photos . Looks like the main, genoa, canvas, cushions, solar panels were all taken off for storage . I'm planning to go look at it in a couple of weeks

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1bwcyf7dq...ht43m8rla?dl=0

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smj · 07-03-2015, 11:56

Boat looks trashed, but those saildrives look like new!

2Hulls · 07-03-2015, 12:03

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I am curious of the "short mast option". Is that standard with a square topped main?

I have good friends with a 421. I think both the sq top main and short mast are options and not related. The short mast may make it ICW capable. My friend's boat is just a little too tall for ICW but he has a sq top.

Dave

**boatman61** · 07-03-2015, 12:12

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Boat looks trashed, but those saildrives look like new!

Damn... gonna have to get my eyes tested... don't look trashed to me..

montenido · 07-03-2015, 12:33

That's a pretty boat. Good luck.

Cheers, Bill

rajsach · 07-03-2015, 12:36

I not sure I agree that the boat looks trashed. Looks a little messy inside but they are storing things in there.

Dave- I do remember your comments about your friends 421 from a previous post. I haven't forgotten that advice