Algae-X Magnet and Fuel Filter- anyone familiar?

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Delfin

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...after I installed a similar device.

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WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.


a similar device


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[S/V Illusion]

After distillation of your post, we find the uncontaminated product:

Originally Posted by Delfin

!,,,and whether they work as advertised or not I have acknowledged I have no clue.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.


a similar device


???????

It was called a De-Bug. Same concept. Passing the fuel through robust magnets is supposed to disrupt the cell membrane and kill the little buggers. Plausible, since many aquatic bacteria have magnetosome organelles they are presumed to assist in navigation. These may also explain how birds navigate, using the Earth's magnetic field. In any case, unlike some, I'm not willing to make declarative statements that they absolutely do not work or do work since I have only one data point of experience. In that one case, I believe it worked.

So sue me.

[Delfin]

I looked at the De-Bug website, and their claim is that by using stacked magnets they get near 100% kill of the targeted critters. Beats me, but they do have quite a list of users worldwide, including sovereign navies, railroads, utilities, etc. But perhaps those folks don't have advisors with the scientific credentials to understand they're being duped like say, Illusion or Bill have.

[boat driver]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Sorry, Nothing I can do if you can't fathom the difference between algae and bacteria. We have yet to hear from you an explanation of fuel polarity or the efficiency nonsense. Think I'll just block you. Thanks for playing.

Boat Poker,
beyond your service arrogance provider title, the term Algae (and the equipment name at time) in reference to diesel fuel is a historically accepted name. Algae is a microbe, so it may be a bacteria. May not- who cares in this discussion. not a reason to be rude nor was it part of the question of the Algae-X unit.
I mentioned Algae-x was 80's technology and does have merit but was quoting from memory the results. I suggested it was an asset or neutral. It never hurt a fuel system.

The terms of performance curve, power curve, and efficiency curve, fuel polarity, are all used when looking for results- and technically self- explanatory.
As far as diesel fuel polarity- maybe an improper slang for organic molecule alignment that in effect breaks up the clumps- passing this thru to the filter and thereby having cleaner fuel/aka better engine performance, power performance, and lower maintenance, all part of the fuel system.
dont think it has to do with the magnetic compass.

As far as the Algae-x piece of equipment and results- here is an explanation 2019 as it is still on the commercial engine market.
Note that it is "part of a system" vs stand alone device. If the various white papers are read in depth, the unit works well in conjunction with various fuel additives as well filters.

I will suggest again- Algae-X units were installed on commercial and military vessels in the 90's - The theory is solid but the reality is often difficult to individually distinguish any more than the discussion of diesel additives. some people swear by them, some say snake oil. Have a fuel problem and pay to clean tanks, etc makes believers out of anyone to prevent a re occurrence.

White paper excerpt Algae -x units-

"Diesel fuels are inherently unstable and subject
to natural deterioration caused by water,
oxidation, microbial growth and chemicals,
which contribute to polymerization and
stratification. The result is poor fuel quality,
sludge and acids that can damage engine
components and degrade performance.
The process begins long before the fuel gets
to your fuel tank. It has been shown that
diesel fuel typically starts to deteriorate and
form solids within 60–90 days after refining.
Diesel fuel’s natural tendency to degrade over time is aggravated by the high
pressure that fuel is subjected to in modern fuel-injector systems. The extreme
pressure and heat of these systems causes the agglomeration of asphaltenes,
which are dirt and crude oil molecules left over from the refining process.
The asphaltene particles are initially in solution as the fuel emerges from the
refinery, but they tend to clump into larger and larger clusters. Over time,
the asphaltene clusters gain in size and weight and fall to the bottom of the
fuel tank and accumulate into a dark mass resembling black roofing tar.
Solid particulate clumps and sludge contribute to clogged filters and
incomplete combustion, causing black smoke, carbon build-up on
engine components, loss of power and increased fuel consumption.

Causes of Fuel Deterioration
Filters & Chemicals Inadequate
Traditional approaches to treating poor fuel quality have typically involved
filtration, chemicals, tank cleaning or a combination of the three. Filtration alone
is insufficient to remove the sludge and sediment in the fuel tank, even when you
install two, three or more filters in line, and biocides may in fact exacerbate the
problem. The poison kills the microbes, but as they die they settle to the bottom
of the tank. If left unattended, this layer of dead microbes will thicken into
sludge. Tank cleaning is expensive and causes unnecessary equipment downtime.
Magnetic Fuel Conditioning
A comprehensive solution to fuel degradation
is now available in the form of in-line magnetic
fuel conditioning devices. These systems use the
laws of physics to counteract polymerization—
the natural attraction and bonding of fuel
molecules, which causes organic matter to form
compounds that keep increasing in size and
mass. The magnetic treatment device, which
installs in the fuel line between the tank and the
primary filter, creates a strong induced magnetic
field that breaks up the clumps and solids as
the fuel passes through the unit. The magnetic
conditioner disperses and returns to solution
the asphaltene clusters. The dark, cloudy fuel
is restored to a clear and bright appearance (often called “fuel polishing”).
The magnetic process also prevents rust flakes, metal shavings and other
ferrous debris from progressing into the fuel filter, where they may pierce
the filter medium and allow unfiltered fuel to pass through to the engine.
The magnetic fuel conditioner works whenever the engine is running and drawing
fuel from the tank. Since diesel engines are designed to return excess fuel not
used for combustion back to the tank, over time it will clean up the sediments,
sludge and gummy tars in the tank, as the fuel is constantly recirculated from
the tank through the fuel conditioner to the engine and back to the tank.
Magnetic fuel conditioning is ideal for applications in which the equipment
is operated on a daily basis, or if it is run at least every couple of weeks. For
engines that sit idle for long periods of time, a diesel fuel tank maintenance
system will do the job of removing and preventing the buildup of water, sludge
and contaminants while eliminating and preventing microbial contamination."




Is this enough explanation for you to realize that hijacking the topic with obnoxious ignorance destroys a conversation that otherwise you might learn a few finer points on which to do your own research.

[sailorchic34]

Magnets do not effect bacteria in any appreacable way. A typical magnet in a algea-X system might have 2 gauss field strengh. A standard MRI have about 1000 times that, yet no gut bacteria is killed during an mri. A mri does not effect cells at all.

Filters work, magnets don't. If you think a magnet works, remove the filters and see how long the engine runs.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by sailorchic34

Magnets do not effect bacteria in any appreacable way. A typical magnet in a algea-X system might have 2 gauss field strengh.

Not according to rather a lot of journal articles. Even weak fields have an effect. And once you have contamination going in a tank, the filters clog extremely quickly and do nothing to solve the problem. Two completely different devices with two completely different purposes.

[sailorchic34]

The only purpose of a magnet fuel conditioner is to lighten your pocketbook. It can have no other function. Magnets even at 1500 gauss has no adverse effect on bacteria. Zero, none, nada.

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by sailorchic34

The only purpose of a magnet fuel conditioner is to lighten your pocketbook. It can have no other function. Magnets even at 1500 gauss has no adverse effect on bacteria. Zero, none, nada.

Magnets? pffft
Everyone knows that healing crystals and pyramids are where its at.

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by sailorchic34

The only purpose of a magnet fuel conditioner is to lighten your pocketbook. It can have no other function. Magnets even at 1500 gauss has no adverse effect on bacteria. Zero, none, nada.

Pity you couldn't have been one of the reviewers of the studies finding otherwise. You could have straightened them out.

[LEOCAT66]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

So now you have the opinion of a biologist and an chemical engineer. Where did you get your degree in fairy magic, Trump University?

A friend uses D Bug, has for years, and is very happy with his results.

Well Cap, I certainly find this comment quite tacky and rude, however it was nice of you to congratulate Delfin on his degree from Trump U, a fine institution for sure sir.

[sailorchic34]

No worries. Others have taken on magnets on fuel systems.

https://enertechlabs.com/magnetic-**...tment-devices/

Myself being an engineer who has seen this type of snake oil appear every 15-20 years or so, I just can't take it seriously. Or rather I that it just as seriously as flat earthers, who truely believe the earth is flat. As you might imagine, I don't believe the world is flat either, dispite literature to support that premise. Sorry to be so unreasonable. That science thingy, keeps getting in the way.

[sailorchic34]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

Magnets? pffft
Everyone knows that healing crystals and pyramids are where its at.

Gee now we are picking on the poor crystals.... Pretty sure Crystals work just as well as magnets in cleaning fuel. But good call, Sir!

[Delfin]

Originally Posted by sailorchic34

No worries. Others have taken on magnets on fuel systems.

https://enertechlabs.com/magnetic-**...tment-devices/

Myself being an engineer who has seen this type of snake oil appear every 15-20 years or so, I just can't take it seriously. Or rather I that it just as seriously as flat earthers, who truely believe the earth is flat. As you might imagine, I don't believe the world is flat either, dispite literature to support that premise. Sorry to be so unreasonable. That science thingy, keeps getting in the way.

Since you seem happy to reject peer reviewed articles that contradict your position on the basis that they contradict your position, I wouldn't work the "I'm a scientist" angle too hard.

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/...93048017500102

Apparently there are a lot of flat earthers out there....

https://dieselsolutions.co.nz/clients-htm/

[sailorchic34]

Originally Posted by Delfin

Since you seem happy to reject peer reviewed articles that contradict your position on the basis that they contradict your position, I wouldn't work the "I'm a scientist" angle too hard.

https://www.worldscientific.com/doi/...93048017500102

Apparently there are a lot of flat earners out there....

https://dieselsolutions.co.nz/clients-htm/

Sorry not a scientist, just a lowly engineer. Hardly peer reviewed articles. Lots of technobabal, that means little. The indian paper saw measurable changes in the bacteria tested while exposed to a low gauss field for many hours. It did not harm the bacteria, nor kill it. I can't hardly see where bacteria exposed for less then a minute would be affected at all.

The other articles from dieselsolutions were, I'm guessing, written by DS employees , were not peer reviewed and are somewhat suspect. Every manufacturer thinks they make the best stuff. If only that was true.

I personally reviewed a magnetic water treatment device, that I found lacking. This was a $100k device proported designed for cooling towers. That was one of the jobs I had. Reviewing new wizbang devices that would save the client money or that a contractor wanted to use on a project.

I would write about each device. Some were fine. Some were not. When I rejected an item, I would say why it was rejected and the failure modes. One manufacturer no longer makes a type of mechanical pipe fitting, as they started failing just as I said it would. That was the case for several items over the years.

I'm sorry to say that I'm slightly jaded and never trust manufacturers data to be factual.