Diesel tank fill below deck?

[four winds]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Been to a lot of marinas where the attendant is NOT allowed to fuel, Owner must, and is therefore responsible for spill fines.

That's been my experience as well, all along the US Gulf Coast.


And I've witnessed many owners going below with the hose, as I've worked the dock in a couple of marinas. Never been an issue that I've seen.

[pcmm]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

No one on board and only the fuel dock attendant allowed to fuel (diesel or gas) the boat is the law in Ontario and some states.

That must be new for this coming boating season (on a tangent now) I've never been asked to step of my boat for refueling purposes. I always let the attendant do the fueling but never have to get off the boat. My dinghy requires the tank to be put on the dock but that's it. Boating in Lake Ontario for 30 years
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[hpeer]

Isn’t there an issue where some jurisdictions dye taxed diesel red and others dye UNtaxed diesel red? I think it’s a problem between the UK and EU? Don’t even think of having a handgun in NJ waters. You WILL go to jail. Sooner or later, with all these stupid laws and regulations will kill cruising because your boat will have be customized to the jurisdiction you float in.

[Olddan1943]

No one will object if you put taxed fuel in your boat but, put the non-taxed in your car, you will end up in court and fined, if caught.

[fish53]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Isn’t there an issue where some jurisdictions dye taxed diesel red and others dye UNtaxed diesel red? I think it’s a problem between the UK and EU? Don’t even think of having a handgun in NJ waters. You WILL go to jail. Sooner or later, with all these stupid laws and regulations will kill cruising because your boat will have be customized to the jurisdiction you float in.

I hate laws and regulations, I'd love to just dump chemical waste in the street and shoot anyone that didn't like it.

[pcmm]

Originally Posted by Olddan1943

No one will object if you put taxed fuel in your boat but, put the non-taxed in your car, you will end up in court and fined, if caught.

Gets more complicated in the EU. My understanding (and this is hearsay) it that red diesel (untaxed) is not allowed even in boats (in certain countries), so what do you do were you legally fill up with red diesel and then sail into their country? My understanding is that particular country makes no exceptions for foreign boats!

[Jdeuel]

Originally Posted by fish53

Funny, I didn't know you could be immune to cancer and kidney disease?

My grandfather died of a heart attack. So he must have been immune to cancer and kidney disease.

[fish53]

Originally Posted by Jdeuel

My grandfather died of a heart attack. So he must have been immune to cancer and kidney disease.

I don't believe that's an immunity issue, more one of timing. Was he marinated in diesel fuel at any point in his life?

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by pcmm

Gets more complicated in the EU. My understanding (and this is hearsay) it that red diesel (untaxed) is not allowed even in boats (in certain countries), so what do you do were you legally fill up with red diesel and then sail into their country? My understanding is that particular country makes no exceptions for foreign boats!

That has been a contentious issue between UK and the rest of Europe for decades.

[Olddan1943]

Originally Posted by pcmm

Gets more complicated in the EU. My understanding (and this is hearsay) it that red diesel (untaxed) is not allowed even in boats (in certain countries), so what do you do were you legally fill up with red diesel and then sail into their country? My understanding is that particular country makes no exceptions for foreign boats!

So if a large commercial ship comes into port, they send someone else out to check the color of the fuel in their tanks? I sort of doubt that.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by fish53

I don't believe that's an immunity issue, more one of timing. Was he marinated in diesel fuel at any point in his life?

Suggest you Google " UK yacht fined untaxed diesel"

[fish53]

Why? I'm not in the UK.

[hpeer]

Originally Posted by fish53

I hate laws and regulations, I'd love to just dump chemical waste in the street and shoot anyone that didn't like it.

What a silly misplaced response. I never said regulations were not required, but silly regulations, especially ones that contradict are not helpful to anyone.

[Tillsbury]

Some ports I've fuelled up in where there isn't a posh marina you have a grubby old diesel hose that usually supplies the fishing vessels. I wouldn't fancy trying to take any of those hoses down below on a boat, even if they could reach...

[NPCampbell]

Originally Posted by denverd0n

Beyond that, diesel fumes are not explosive the way that gasoline fumes are

Diesel vapors are more explosive than gasoline vapors but are harder to ignite due to a higher flash point.

Diesel fumes are explosive around 0.5% air mixture, while gasoline requires around 1.5%. The flash point is the temperature at which vapors will ignite in the presence of an ignition source, open flame, etc. Gasoline has a flash point that is well below room temperature while diesel is much higher typically around 125-200F. However, some formulations, like 1-D, and additives can lower the flash point to as low as 95F.

If anything warms diesel vapors above its flash point, i.e. a hot engine room, above ground storage tanks, etc, then it can be every bit as dangerous as gas.